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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:34 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:34 am to GOP_Tiger
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No, Ukraine is going to fix its manpower issues --most of which resulted from the delays in western arms shipments.
Just now:
Did you even read it?
They are talking about circulating weapons among the civilian population, and you're claiming things are just peachy on the manpower front?
There are numerous videos of them pulling men off public transit, even going in nightclubs to grab people, etc etc.
They will likely somewhat bandaid their personnel issues for a while longer, but this is going to be an issue for them going forward.
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:40 am to doubleb
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Seems like Ukraine is going to face a soldier crisis pretty soon. Russia just has to wait it out.
But they aren’t waiting it out. They are throwing more men into the fray with less and less armor and artillery,
It’s as if they want things finished sooner than later. Why is that? Why not cut up Ukrsine from a distance. Why not cut em s a small piece at a time in soft spots rather than these all out assaults?
I think they are gearing up and taking as much as they can before negotiations once the Trump admin takes power. I also think this is why Ukraine gambled on the Kursk operation.
If that turns out to be incorrect, then either they see an opportunity to make gains that wasnt there before and are simply just capitalizing on it, or they have some kind of internal issue that will come to a head in the near-ish future and have to do what they can while they can.
Not really sure I buy the latter. I think the offensive in that scenario would be much larger than what we are currently seeing.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:59 am to VolSquatch
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you're claiming things are just peachy on the manpower front?
How in the world did you get that from my claim that Ukraine is going to fix its problems?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:03 am to GOP_Tiger
If its so easily fixable, then it should be fine right?
Just change a few policies and hand out rifles to civilians and we are all good
Just change a few policies and hand out rifles to civilians and we are all good
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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As I said yesterday, I think that it's likely that this was coordinated, or at least that Trump approves. But I think that Warburg's reasoning is wrong -- it simply gives Trump more leverage to get Putin to come to the negotiating table.
If Putin comes to the negotiating table... if he cedes to anything except the maximalist demands, he will be seen as weak and a fool who embarked on a losing offensive and did not win... and Georgia and Chechnya and other areas in his orbit who want to break free are emboldened. He can't subdue them all at once.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:17 am to VolSquatch
Russia's economy is going to implode/crash in two minutes!!!!
Ukraine has 1 million men being trained by NATO and they are just waiting to go in!!!!
The Russians are going to invade Lithuania!!!!!!
These people are delusional. Neocon warmongers that are obsessed with this war and death. Strangest thing I have ever seen.
Easy to be a John Bolton or Liz Cheney when you are not facing the bullets.
If Trump feels any obligation toward Ukraine, he will negotiate an end to this now before it gets any worse for them.
All of these towns and villages that have been destroyed will never be rebuilt. If Ukraine survives, this land will be taken by greedy corporations while the the actual people that lost everything, what will happen to them.
The EU is not going to foot the bill to rebuild.
Any money that is sent to rebuild, 2/3 of it will be stolen.
Ukraine has 1 million men being trained by NATO and they are just waiting to go in!!!!
The Russians are going to invade Lithuania!!!!!!
These people are delusional. Neocon warmongers that are obsessed with this war and death. Strangest thing I have ever seen.
Easy to be a John Bolton or Liz Cheney when you are not facing the bullets.
If Trump feels any obligation toward Ukraine, he will negotiate an end to this now before it gets any worse for them.
All of these towns and villages that have been destroyed will never be rebuilt. If Ukraine survives, this land will be taken by greedy corporations while the the actual people that lost everything, what will happen to them.
The EU is not going to foot the bill to rebuild.
Any money that is sent to rebuild, 2/3 of it will be stolen.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:30 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:25 am to Lee B
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If Putin comes to the negotiating table... if he cedes to anything except the maximalist demands, he will be seen as weak and a fool who embarked on a losing offensive and did not win... and Georgia and Chechnya and other areas in his orbit who want to break free are emboldened.
So per you guys Russia has this huge propaganda operation (this part is true), their people have been subjugated to the point where it seems like they enjoy it, people with opposing viewpoints end up falling out of windows (true), but they are going to overthrow Putin if he doesn't get the "maximalist demand" in a peace deal?
Would this huge propaganda op not just change what the definition of victory means in that scenario?
To me they've clearly set the public "victory conditions" up to where they can give themselves an easy out if they want to. It'll be a bogus line, but it'll be the story.
How many of the architects of the US-Iraq debacle ever really faced any kind of public, personal, or even in most cases electoral consequences for that? And they are going to kill Putin when Russia almost assuredly comes out of this with more land?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:26 am to VolSquatch
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Not really sure I buy the latter. I think the offensive in that scenario would be much larger than what we are currently seeing.
I’ve been wondering about that for two years.
Is this the best Russia can do?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:27 am to AU86
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Russia's economy is going to implode/crash in two minutes!!!!
Ukraine has 1 million men being trained by NATO and they are just waiting to go in!!!!
The Russians are going to invade Lithuania!!!!!!
This is what they look like while inventing their Marvel movie type scenarios
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:28 am to doubleb
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I’ve been wondering about that for two years.
Is this the best Russia can do?
I doubt it, but its certainly possible
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:29 am to WeeWee
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if Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate and/or does not negotiate in good faith.
This is bizarro world
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:30 am to AU86
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Easy to be a John Bolton or Liz Cheney when you are not facing the bullets.
We've known this was a futile attempt from the beginning. I think the people who claimed it was more about laundering money than war were correct.
The warhawks sitting in plush offices are the ones pushing this obvious failure of a war.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the people who claimed it was more about laundering money than war were correct.
Lookout, this one poster who hasn't had an original thought in at least 6 months will be in shortly to tell you that you're using the term "laundering" incorrectly, and that you must define exactly how its being done. Even though the vast majority of the population uses "laundering" to broadly describe financial crimes in the way you just used it, and everyone knows what you meant by it when you said it.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:34 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:34 am to doubleb
Russians attack residential building in Hlukhiv, Sumy Oblast, killing 12 people, including 8-year-old child – photos
Iryna Balachuk — Tuesday, 19 November 2024, 13:13
At least 12 people, including a child, were killed in a Russian attack on a temporary accommodation facility in Hlukhiv, Sumy Oblast, late on 18 November. There may still be people trapped under the rubble.
Source: Sumy Oblast Military Administration on Telegram; Sumy Oblast Prosecutor’s Office on Facebook ; State Emergency Service of Ukraine (SES) on Telegram
Updated: Later, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that seven people had been killed in a Russian strike on Hlukhiv.
Later, the SES reported that 11 people had been killed. The death toll subsequently rose to 12.
Quote from SES: "The death toll in Hlukhiv has risen to 12 people, including one child! Eleven people were injured, including two children. Rescue workers continue their efforts and search for people. There are probably two more people trapped under the rubble."
Ukrainska Pravda.
Iryna Balachuk — Tuesday, 19 November 2024, 13:13
At least 12 people, including a child, were killed in a Russian attack on a temporary accommodation facility in Hlukhiv, Sumy Oblast, late on 18 November. There may still be people trapped under the rubble.
Source: Sumy Oblast Military Administration on Telegram; Sumy Oblast Prosecutor’s Office on Facebook ; State Emergency Service of Ukraine (SES) on Telegram
Updated: Later, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that seven people had been killed in a Russian strike on Hlukhiv.
Later, the SES reported that 11 people had been killed. The death toll subsequently rose to 12.
Quote from SES: "The death toll in Hlukhiv has risen to 12 people, including one child! Eleven people were injured, including two children. Rescue workers continue their efforts and search for people. There are probably two more people trapped under the rubble."
Ukrainska Pravda.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:36 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:35 am to VolSquatch
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Even though the vast majority of the population uses "laundering" in the way you just used it,
Yeah, nerds struggle with common phrases. He will get over it.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:35 am to cypher
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:37 am to VolSquatch
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This is what they look like while inventing their Marvel movie type scenarios
None of them supported or voted for Trump. They called him a Putin puppet.
Now they are praying/hoping that he will continue their glorious crusade.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:38 am to VolSquatch
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If Russia has 3-5 years left in them per an article you posted I'm not sure Ukraine can hold out that long.
Yeah, Russia might gain 3-5% of Ukraine in the next 3-5 years.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:38 am to Lee B
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The warhawks sitting in plush offices are the ones pushing this obvious failure of a war.
Those are the ones that are praying that this continues.
The ones that are making money off of it.
War profiteers.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:41 am
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