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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:34 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:34 pm to VolSquatch
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Meanwhile, rumors swirling that transformer shortages impacting recovery from Helene in North Carolina are partially if not entirely because we sent transformers to Ukraine to help rebuild their power grid.
This was addressed several days ago. Most transformers are made in Taiwan, China or Mexico. Any transformers for Ukraine, in fact almost anywhere else in the world, would be for a different voltage and frequency than used in the USA.
Only those who know nothing buy this sort of nonsense.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:50 pm to VolSquatch
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But remember folks, us helping Ukraine isn’t hurting Americans.
That’s piss poor planning if true.
We need to donate what we can spare, but we don’t need to give away the store.
But look who is in charge.
ETA: did a quick google search on transformer shortages and there are stories regarding this beginning in 2022.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:11 pm to doubleb
Ukraine war latest: Oil depots on fire in 2 Russian regions
by The Kyiv Independent news desk October 4, 2024 9:42 PM
Key developments on Oct. 4:
Oil depots on fire in Russia's Voronezh Oblast, Perm Krai
Russian forces less than 7 km away from Pokrovsk, authorities say
At least 177 Ukrainian POWs have died in Russian captivity, Kyiv says
EU readies to sanction Iran over missile shipments to Russia, Bloomberg reports
Kursk operation 'motivates those who give us weapons' — Zelensky visits troops in Sumy Oblast
Fires broke out at two oil depots in Russia's Voronezh Oblast and Perm Krai overnight on Oct. 4, local authorities reported.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, its air defense downed six Ukrainian drones over Voronezh Oblast, six over Belgorod Oblast, one over Rostov Oblast, and one over the Azov Sea.
Ukrainian soldiers attacked the Annanefteprodukt fuel and lubricants storage base near the village of Anna in Voronezh Oblast, Ukraine's General Staff said. It was not specified what kind of weapon was used in the attack.
A source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) told the Kyiv Independent later that the oil depot was struck by drones operated by the SBU.
The Kyiv Independent
by The Kyiv Independent news desk October 4, 2024 9:42 PM
Key developments on Oct. 4:
Oil depots on fire in Russia's Voronezh Oblast, Perm Krai
Russian forces less than 7 km away from Pokrovsk, authorities say
At least 177 Ukrainian POWs have died in Russian captivity, Kyiv says
EU readies to sanction Iran over missile shipments to Russia, Bloomberg reports
Kursk operation 'motivates those who give us weapons' — Zelensky visits troops in Sumy Oblast
Fires broke out at two oil depots in Russia's Voronezh Oblast and Perm Krai overnight on Oct. 4, local authorities reported.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, its air defense downed six Ukrainian drones over Voronezh Oblast, six over Belgorod Oblast, one over Rostov Oblast, and one over the Azov Sea.
Ukrainian soldiers attacked the Annanefteprodukt fuel and lubricants storage base near the village of Anna in Voronezh Oblast, Ukraine's General Staff said. It was not specified what kind of weapon was used in the attack.
A source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) told the Kyiv Independent later that the oil depot was struck by drones operated by the SBU.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:44 pm to CitizenK
We have X capacity to source transformers, whether we or someone else produces them. They use similar resources regardless of any voltage differences and factories normally produce all different capacity transformers. So actual proof would be documentation that we didn’t order Ukraine transformers instead of ones for ourselves, not “the voltage is different”.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:03 pm to VolSquatch
I can find stuff that we did order transformers for Ukraine, but the EU was ordering far more for them than we were... if it's a zero-sum transformer game I guess that's complicated unless we threaten people not to order them so that we get them all?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:07 pm to Lee B
IEEE Spectrum (2022): Transformer Stockpiles - and Grids - Come Under Threat
The U.S. failed to improve its stock, but Ukraine’s supply may be improving
Among the most basic power equipment components—transformers—are in short supply in both the U.S. and Ukraine, increasing their power grids’ vulnerability. In the U.S., a spate of hurricanes, global supply holdups, domestic terror attacks on grid infrastructure, and a dearth of domestic manufacturing has depleted stocks. In Ukraine, relentless Russian bombardment of electrical substations is destroying transformers faster than they can be replaced.
Both situations came before the U.S. Congress this week. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared before a joint session of Congress appealing for more weapons to combat Russia’s attacks. Zelenskyy struck a defiant tone, saying bombs and blackouts will not steal Ukraine’s Christmas: “Even if there is no electricity, the light of our faith in ourselves will not be put out.”
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, members of Congress made a last-ditch and ultimately unsuccessful appeal for federal dollars to boost transformer production.
The failure to squeeze the transformer ask into the $1.7-trillion government funding bill Congress is expected to send to President Biden today disappointed utilities and their supporters, after more than 6 months of collaboration with the Biden Administration making the case for support.
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The U.S. failed to improve its stock, but Ukraine’s supply may be improving
Among the most basic power equipment components—transformers—are in short supply in both the U.S. and Ukraine, increasing their power grids’ vulnerability. In the U.S., a spate of hurricanes, global supply holdups, domestic terror attacks on grid infrastructure, and a dearth of domestic manufacturing has depleted stocks. In Ukraine, relentless Russian bombardment of electrical substations is destroying transformers faster than they can be replaced.
Both situations came before the U.S. Congress this week. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared before a joint session of Congress appealing for more weapons to combat Russia’s attacks. Zelenskyy struck a defiant tone, saying bombs and blackouts will not steal Ukraine’s Christmas: “Even if there is no electricity, the light of our faith in ourselves will not be put out.”
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, members of Congress made a last-ditch and ultimately unsuccessful appeal for federal dollars to boost transformer production.
The failure to squeeze the transformer ask into the $1.7-trillion government funding bill Congress is expected to send to President Biden today disappointed utilities and their supporters, after more than 6 months of collaboration with the Biden Administration making the case for support.
...
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:07 pm to VolSquatch
I think they were saying we were short of replacement transformers because we had previously sent most of our spare transformers to Ukraine.
True or not? I don’t know
True that the electric grid in Ukraine requires a different type transformer than our grid? I don’t know.
Do we normally stockpile hundreds of transformers in the US just in case of an emergency? I don’t know.
Does anyone here know?
True or not? I don’t know
True that the electric grid in Ukraine requires a different type transformer than our grid? I don’t know.
Do we normally stockpile hundreds of transformers in the US just in case of an emergency? I don’t know.
Does anyone here know?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:15 pm to doubleb
UtilityDive: 2 Million customers still without power after Helene; local grids must ‘be completely rebuilt’
Multiple utilities say they will need to completely rebuild, rather than repair, electric systems in the hardest-hit areas. Helene was the most destructive hurricane in Georgia Power’s history.
Multiple utilities say they will need to completely rebuild, rather than repair, electric systems in the hardest-hit areas. Helene was the most destructive hurricane in Georgia Power’s history.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:20 pm to doubleb
biggest deal for large transformers might be 50 versus 60 cycle and the electrical instrumentation.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:24 pm to Lee B
NYT (Gifted article): Why Restoring Power After Hurricane Helene Is Complicated
Damage went beyond downed power lines. Hundreds of substations went out after the storm. Getting them back online is difficult.
relevant:
There is currently a global shortage of transformers because of soaring demand from renewable energy developers, according to Wood Mackenzie, a consulting firm. Wait times for some new equipment can be two to three years, on average.
Scott Aaronson, senior vice president of security and preparedness at the Edison Electric Institute, a trade group, said he did not expect the transformer shortage to be a major problem for Helene recovery efforts. He said many power companies have plans to stockpile or share replacement equipment, and the largest bulk transformers on the grid — which often are the hardest to replace — mostly appear to have survived the storm.
The bigger problem is reaching the damaged infrastructure, he said. “What’s been unique about this storm has been the inability to access certain parts of the region,” Mr. Aaronson said. While utilities can use helicopters, drones and satellites to survey damage, those methods have limitations.
Damage went beyond downed power lines. Hundreds of substations went out after the storm. Getting them back online is difficult.
relevant:
There is currently a global shortage of transformers because of soaring demand from renewable energy developers, according to Wood Mackenzie, a consulting firm. Wait times for some new equipment can be two to three years, on average.
Scott Aaronson, senior vice president of security and preparedness at the Edison Electric Institute, a trade group, said he did not expect the transformer shortage to be a major problem for Helene recovery efforts. He said many power companies have plans to stockpile or share replacement equipment, and the largest bulk transformers on the grid — which often are the hardest to replace — mostly appear to have survived the storm.
The bigger problem is reaching the damaged infrastructure, he said. “What’s been unique about this storm has been the inability to access certain parts of the region,” Mr. Aaronson said. While utilities can use helicopters, drones and satellites to survey damage, those methods have limitations.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:28 pm to Lee B
So... just something someone keeps saying on social media and people repeat it?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:28 pm to CitizenK
The standard voltage is 220 V at a frequency of 50 Hz.
quote:
This was addressed several days ago. Most transformers are made in Taiwan, China or Mexico. Any transformers for Ukraine, in fact almost anywhere else in the world, would be for a different voltage and frequency than used in the USA.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:33 pm to Auburn1968
You don't know shite bish
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:34 pm to Lee B
Transformers have definitely been long lead time time items. Last project I was on we had all the transformers ordered in July of 2022 and we started getting them in in December of 23 and the final batch by May of 24. These were 13.8kV to 4160V and 4150v to 480V. We were even using temp transformers and reclaimed transformers for a duration while waiting in the transformers to arrive.
Switchgear was also 18-24 month lead time. It was not this bad before Covid. But has not bought back up since.
We also had issues with large VFDs (125HP to 600HP).
Switchgear was also 18-24 month lead time. It was not this bad before Covid. But has not bought back up since.
We also had issues with large VFDs (125HP to 600HP).
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:47 pm to doubleb
quote:
I think they were saying we were short of replacement transformers because we had previously sent most of our spare transformers to Ukraine.
True or not? I don’t know
True that the electric grid in Ukraine requires a different type transformer than our grid? I don’t know.
Do we normally stockpile hundreds of transformers in the US just in case of an emergency? I don’t know.
Does anyone here know?
There was a transformer shortage after Laura and that was a couple of years before the latest round of fighting in Ukraine.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 7:07 pm to Jim Rockford
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Naalsio is one of the people who helps tracks losses for the Oryx list. For the past year, he's kept a spreadsheet of Russian losses on the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk axis.
If you go to his tweet, you can click on the spreadsheet that has photo/video links to all losses.
Yes, Russia has made significant gains along this axis, but the equipment losses are staggering.
Russian storage bases are essentially out of artillery. Basically, all that's still left in those places are some old artillery pieces that Russia lacks ammo for.
The impact of this is even now in the beginning stages. It will obviously be a while before the shortage becomes acute, but when we say that the war is unsustainable for Russia, it's only because it is. The coming shortage of armored vehicles is only a few months behind the artillery shortage.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:11 pm to VolSquatch
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So actual proof would be documentation that we didn’t order Ukraine transformers instead of ones for ourselves, not “the voltage is different”.
So you think that the government is in charge of transformers? That is exactly what you are saying. A far as I know the only Fed entity which is an electric utility company is the TVA.
That's all the proof needed.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:41 pm to CitizenK
More proof you have 0 reading comprehension. Who orders them, the fed, private companies, or even citizens, is largely irrelevant. If we ordered production of transformers for Ukraine from our usual vendors that is taking production capacity away from making transformers for the US. This is simple, simple stuff and you just can never seem to grasp even the most basic concepts.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:53 pm to GOP_Tiger
ISW Update Oct 4
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian forces struck a fuel storage facility in Anna, Voronezh Oblast on the night of October 3 to 4.
Russian forces recently advanced in Vovchansk, near Kreminna, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Donetsk City.
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