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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:20 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:20 am to
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Look up history... Jews weren't allowed to legally exist in England for Centuries...
Ok. I missed this.
My reference was to the present (last 60-70yrs).

But yes, from the Middle Ages clear through the Baroque Period, England was a rough place for any religious expression aside from the monarch's own claimed faith. At various points, Jews were persecuted, Protestants were burned at the stake, Catholics were expelled from the country or worse. Europe was, at times, broadly antisemitic. For autocrats searching for the proverbial whipping boy, Jews made an easy target, culminating in the horrors of the 1930's - mid40's.

I guess I mistook your reference as regarding the present day though, i.e., the treatment of Arab Muslims in today's Israel.

e.g., If a Christian man is executed in a Muslim country today d/t to his religion, I'd not tend to relate that 21st century atrocity to the execution of Thomas Cranmer, albeit executions for the same reason. But perhaps some would.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:14 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 3 October 2024

On 11 September 2024, the Merchant Vessel (MV) Aya was struck by a missile in the Black Sea as it transited south from the Ukrainian port of Odesa having been loaded with more than 26 thousand tons of grain bound for Egypt. It is almost certain that the missile was an AS-4 KITCHEN anti-ship missile launched by a Tu-22M3 BACKFIRE Russian bomber that was operating in the area at the time. It is a realistic possibility that a detonation failure avoided catastrophic damage.

It is unlikely that the MV Aya was the intended target for this mission and was likely struck due to poor targeting procedures from Russian pilots using an aging munition. Russia has regularly attacked targets along Ukraine's Black Sea coastline, including Snake Island, as they attempt to disrupt export activity and degrade any military assets in the area.

Following the loss of a BACKFIRE in April this year, Russia has almost certainly been more wary with their strike operations in the Black Sea. It is a realistic possibility this incident occurred due to pilots incorrectly identifying MV Aya as their target in haste, wanting to depart the area immediately after launch for fear of being targeted by a Ukrainian surface to air missile.

The KITCHEN missile has consistently underperformed in the Ukraine conflict. Launching a supersonic cruise missile on an incorrect heading against a likely erroneous target in international waters demonstrates extremely poor and irresponsible aviation practice.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:28 am to
Borisoglebsk military air base in Russia's Voronezh region struck

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:32 am to
Update on the AFU UAV strike on the Russian air base in #Borisoglebsk, #Veronezh Oblast, Russia -- High probability ammo depot struck

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Posted by AU86
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:42 am to
Hey Leon

Your boy Biden is now calling for sanctions against Iran.

What is ironic is this gd idiot is who took them off to start with!!!!

This is clown world shite. And you frickers vote for this incompetence.

Looks.like all your buddies have abandoned you in the thread.

But don't worry I will continue to drop.in to provide enlightment.

We will call it Therapy session for down and out Troskyites.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 10:33 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:45 am to
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 9:47 am to
Worse than Lee are the "conservative" neocons in here like GOPe_Tiger (who said he would vote for Biden Harris) Stormy McCain, etc
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 9:48 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 10:22 am to
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Your boy Biden is now calling for sanctions against Iran.

What is ironic is this gd idiot is who took them off to start with!!!!

This is clown world shite. And you frickers vote for this incompetence.

Looks.like all your buddies have abandoned you in the thread.

But don't worry I will continue to drop.in to provide enlightment.



You're completely lost. You must've thought that you were in PT.

Just kidding. Of course you are really just a nasty troll.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 10:25 am to
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Of course you are really just a nasty troll.


IGNORE HIM
Posted by bayou_fella
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 10:51 am to
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Absolute filth



Look another paid kremlin poster.

The guy likely signed up to be an organ donor, plus his organs are going to injured Ukrainian soldiers who need them. So even IF this is true I don't see what the big deal is.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:32 pm to
Oh no, Ukraine bros!

Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:59 pm to
I was unaware that a fictional movie character had become a reputable reporter on global affairs…
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:51 pm to
An interesting video on Latvia's history and current events. Putin really stepped into the honey bucket.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:18 pm to
More of Putin's "red lines" found to be meaningless
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Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 5:21 pm to
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Iran is wishing Hamas had never pulled that shite on October 7...
Perhaps they should have passed those "concerns" to their terrorist arm, Hezbollah, before Hezbollah's attacks on October 8th?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 5:36 pm to
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Russian forces recently marginally advanced near Svatove, Siversk, and Vuhledar and east and southeast of Pokrovsk

I thought Russia had taken Vuhledar?


Every day since September 1!
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 5:51 pm to
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My reference was to the present (last 60-70yrs).


Well, even then... did you know there are sizable Jewish populations in Iran and Egypt? I'm not saying they all have first-class citizen treatment (not unless they're very wealthy) but they aren't messed with...

Meanwhile, a woman from Denmark was visiting when Anders Breivik went on his shooting spree and people here were trying to figure out how it would make sense that a Christian Nationalist Norweigan would attack young Norwegians... and she said "I don't know that you can understand... Norwegians in general as so anti-Jewish that they celebrate and endorse Islamic terrorism against Jews and Israel, almost on a National level, and he was punishing them for that because he believes Israel has to exist to bring about the second coming of Jesus." When we said no, we didn't realize Norway was that anti-semitic, she said "oh, yes... Sweden is almost as bad, too." Digging into it there was a lot of stuff that proved what she said about the youth group camp that he targeted, and... the government... and the history of Norway in the early 20th Century. I don't know if she's right about Sweden, but she lives a lot closer to them than I do, so...

And France is getting pretty bad in its anti-Semitism. Jews get caught between both the far right (Neo-NAZIs) and far left (Replace Israel with Palestine) these days.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:02 pm to
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quote:
Iran is wishing Hamas had never pulled that shite on October 7...


Perhaps they should have passed those "concerns" to their terrorist arm, Hezbollah, before Hezbollah's attacks on October 8th?


that was an attempt to scramble Israel and keep them from going in any one direction... which didn't work.

The two are supposed to just do enough to keep Israel preoccupied in two directions without drawing too much damage unto themselves... Hamas went too far (did not expect its terrorists to do as well as they ended up doing?).
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:17 pm to
It's all basically connected...

NYT Op Ed (gifted article): What This Israel-Hezbollah-Hamas-Iran Conflict Is Really About

To understand why and how Israel’s devastating blow to Hezbollah is such a world-shaking threat to Iran, Russia, North Korea and even China, you have to put it in the context of the wider struggle that has replaced the Cold War as the framework of international relations today.

After the Hamas invasion of Israel on Oct. 7, I argued that we were no longer in the Cold War, or the post-Cold War. We were in the post-post-Cold War: a struggle between an ad hoc “coalition of inclusion” — decent countries, not all of them democracies, that see their future as best delivered by a U.S.-led alliance nudging the world to greater economic integration, openness and collaboration to meet global challenges, like climate change — versus a “coalition of resistance,” led by Russia, Iran and North Korea: brutal, authoritarian regimes that use their opposition to the U.S.-led world of inclusion to justify militarizing their societies and maintaining an iron grip on power.

China has been straddling the two camps because its economy depends on access to the coalition of inclusion while the government’s leadership shares a lot of the authoritarian instincts and interests of the coalition of resistance.

You have to see the wars in Ukraine, Gaza and Lebanon in the context of this global struggle. Ukraine was trying to join the world of inclusion in Europe — seeking freedom from Russia’s orbit and to join the European Union — and Israel and Saudi Arabia were trying to expand the world of inclusion in the Middle East by normalizing relations.

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Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:20 pm to
Escalation with Iran will also be escalation with Russia... they are intertwined at this point.
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