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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:15 pm to
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More proof you have 0 reading comprehension. Who orders them, the fed, private companies, or even citizens, is largely irrelevant. If we ordered production of transformers for Ukraine from our usual vendors that is taking production capacity away from making transformers for the US. This is simple, simple stuff and you just can never seem to grasp even the most basic concepts.


Just admit you don’t know the answers. I did.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:23 pm to
Utility companies order them. Industrial plants with substations order them. There is NO national stockpile of transformers unless there is a transformer dealer with a warehouse and/or storage yard to stockpile them.

By 1990, we entered the era of Just in Time Delivery. Companies don't want to pay ad valorem taxes for inventory just sitting there for years. It's gotten so bad that some local governments want to assess full value to something which needs complete reconditioning and worth not much more than scrap value. This even though it's actual value is scrap until an order is received to recondition and deliver

Government doesn't order them except for TVA and government construction projects requiring a substation.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:24 pm to
Dude cannot grasp simple concepts.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 5:33 am to
A Ukrainian jet shot down an extremely rare S-70 Okhotnik UCAV. Early reports mistakenly identified it as a Su-25 shot down by friendly fire, but we now have better footage of the wreckage.

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This post was edited on 10/5/24 at 5:35 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 7:06 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 05 October 2024

On 01 October 2024, Russia took control of Vuhledar, southern Donetsk, which lies on the intersection between the two key fronts of Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk. The capture of the town came after a renewed Russian campaign through September 2024. By the end of the month, Russian forces had nearly encircled the town, leading to the withdrawal of Ukrainian Forces.

Russia had been making sporadic attempts to seize Vuhledar for the last two years, sustaining heavy losses in the process. The town is situated on high ground which made it a more defensible position for Ukrainian forces.

It is likely that Russian forces will attempt to continue advancing beyond Vuhledar in the coming weeks. To the west, one likely objective is the town of Velyka Novosilka, Zaporizhzhia on the TO509 highway. 8km to the north is the town of Bohoiavlenka.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 10:04 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 10:52 am to
You can’t even understand production capacity you cuck

Go suck Zelensky’s dick and get back in the propaganda basement so you can type some more dumb shite
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 10:56 am to
If a plant can produce 100 transforms per year, and produces 100 per year for US power companies, but the US then orders 25 for ukraine in 2023, how many can it produce for the US market in 2023?

Or do you believe we can just make unlimited amounts of things?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42607 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 11:39 am to
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If a plant can produce 100 transforms per year, and produces 100 per year for US power companies, but the US then orders 25 for ukraine in 2023, how many can it produce for the US market in 2023?
Or do you believe we can just make unlimited amounts of things?


Here’s a basic economics lesson.

If a plant makes 100 transformers a year, and the demand climbs to 125 transformers a year, several things can happen in our capitalist system.

The plant raises their price and sells to the highest bidder.
The plant raises their price and puts on another shift or adds a production line.
The plant sees more competition from other plants.

What doesn’t happen is the plant or plants do not turn down business because there might be a devastating hurricane event in the future.

I’ve been involved in hurricane repairs. It’s hard. Logistics are huge. Getting manpower into the devestated areas is very hard. Getting the necessary supplies and materials is very hard. Getting things done fast are imperative.

Storing things in warehouses across the country isn’t happening. Yes, rental companies have inventories of generators, etc. but people aren’t stockpiling a lot of materials and and vital supplies just in case.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Here’s a basic economics lesson. If a plant makes 100 transformers a year, and the demand climbs to 125 transformers a year, several things can happen in our capitalist system. The plant raises their price and sells to the highest bidder. The plant raises their price and puts on another shift or adds a production line. The plant sees more competition from other plants. What doesn’t happen is the plant or plants do not turn down business because there might be a devastating hurricane event in the future.


You really don’t have a clue. Your explanation is simplistic at best and ignores many factors.

What if the cost of adding new production is much higher than potential new revenue?

What if the individual components are not available or have a long lead time?

Like I said. Simplistic at best

This post was edited on 10/5/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:14 pm to
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The plant raises their price and sells to the highest bidder.
What if the highest bidder is below previous price?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:24 pm to
Ukraine aid is not the cause of the shortage...

The U.S. has a ‘critical’ shortage of power transformers. Can it bounce back?

A new report from the National Infrastructure Advisory Council (NIAC) examines the current state of the power transformer shortage in the U.S., and makes several recommendations for how to potentially overcome the obstacle.

Power Grid International
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42607 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:26 pm to
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What if the highest bidder is below previous price?


It’s the law of supply and demand. If demand is there prices go up.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42607 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:30 pm to
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You really don’t have a clue. Your explanation is simplistic at best and ignores many factors. What if the cost of adding new production is much higher than potential new revenue? What if the individual components are not available or have a long lead time? Like I said. Simplistic at best


Sure it’s simplistic because I am addressing simpletons.

If the cost is prohibitive and you can’t open a new line or you can’t secure materials then obviously you can’t make more, but that’s why I said the price will go up.

But my point is manufacturers do not turn down business because there might be a hurricane. You do understand that don’t you?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42607 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:32 pm to
Yes, I pointed out articles from several years ago pointing out transformer shortages.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5047 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 12:48 pm to
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Meanwhile, rumors swirling that transformer shortages impacting recovery from Helene in North Carolina are partially if not entirely because we sent transformers to Ukraine to help rebuild their power grid.



Liars lie.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:03 pm to
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US then orders 25 for ukraine in 2023


The government doesn't order them. Utility companies and contractors order them. Transformer manufacturing in at least Mexico can increase production as needed.

Your ideas have zero credence.

How the phuck did US paper mills make 800% of normal production in one year back in 2020? Yet that is what they did to fill demand. Per you that could never be remotely possible.

Ignorant mofo is what you are.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:08 pm to
I heard a rumor that bodies were dropping from trees and killing linemen repairing damage. I guess that makes it true.

The fact is that social media still has nutters whether left wing like Twitter or right wing like X. Of course dullards will buy what they hear all the time
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