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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:31 am to Lee B
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:31 am to Lee B
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Cool bro, so when you make your blanket statements about the actions of US administrations you don't agree with, you mean all 337,000,000+ American citizens including yourself?
I don't word it as "The American people", so no
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:33 am to Lee B
I love that you're melting because one of your Brothers in Keyboard almost immediately proved me right on my point from yesterday 
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:35 am to VolSquatch
Leon.is in spin mode today.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:36 am to CitizenK
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Russia as the USSR did have plans to attack Western Europe. Hell, it attacked its own allies, Hungary then Czechoslovakia. NATO never ever had any plans to attack the USSR or the Russian Federation. It did attack Georgia and Ukraine.
Maybe you are the naive one.
I had a Civics teacher in high school (also, stereotypically, the head football coach) who brought up over and over again that if the US had done the right thing and entered WWII as soon as Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Austria and Poland that there would not be (at the time he was saying this) a U.S.S.R. for us to have to deal with... Hitler made a deal with Stalin to split Europe with him, then quickly saw that Russia was weak and turned on them. Then, to get rid of a strong and built-up NAZI Germany, we essentially made the same deal with Stalin... and we helped them build themselves up in that deal. If we'd nipped Hitler in the bud from the get go, Russia would've probably gone bankrupt sometime in the late 40s or early 50s. Instead, we helped them build a more sustainable empire of captive countries. "Our bad decision spread Communism."
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:44 am to Lee B
POLITICO.EU OP ED: What NATO allies must do to prepare for Russian aggression
While it’s expensive to do what’s necessary to deter major aggression, it would be far more expensive to fight a major war if deterrence fails.
The chief of Estonia’s intelligence service said in February: “Russia has chosen a path which is a long-term confrontation … and the Kremlin is probably anticipating a possible conflict with NATO within the next decade or so.” Meanwhile, the Danish and German defense ministers have similarly warned that Russia could attack NATO in less than a decade.
The critical question now is: Does Russia pose a credible threat to NATO?
Currently, there are numerous factors working to dissuade Russia from challenging NATO, but there’s one scenario that stands out as a plausible pathway to conflict — and that’s if the Kremlin comes to underestimate Western, and most importantly U.S., resolve to fight under certain conditions.
Among the mounting reasons which could lead the Kremlin to believe the U.S. and NATO lack the will to fight, the most immediate is the potential reelection of former U.S. President Donald Trump.
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But it’s not just the U.S., political changes in Europe could alter the Kremlin’s NATO calculations as well.
Last year saw a European resurgence of far-right parties, many harboring sentiments sympathetic to Moscow.
While it’s expensive to do what’s necessary to deter major aggression, it would be far more expensive to fight a major war if deterrence fails.
The chief of Estonia’s intelligence service said in February: “Russia has chosen a path which is a long-term confrontation … and the Kremlin is probably anticipating a possible conflict with NATO within the next decade or so.” Meanwhile, the Danish and German defense ministers have similarly warned that Russia could attack NATO in less than a decade.
The critical question now is: Does Russia pose a credible threat to NATO?
Currently, there are numerous factors working to dissuade Russia from challenging NATO, but there’s one scenario that stands out as a plausible pathway to conflict — and that’s if the Kremlin comes to underestimate Western, and most importantly U.S., resolve to fight under certain conditions.
Among the mounting reasons which could lead the Kremlin to believe the U.S. and NATO lack the will to fight, the most immediate is the potential reelection of former U.S. President Donald Trump.
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But it’s not just the U.S., political changes in Europe could alter the Kremlin’s NATO calculations as well.
Last year saw a European resurgence of far-right parties, many harboring sentiments sympathetic to Moscow.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:45 am to SirWinston
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imagine simping for Mossad and our MIC this hard
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SirWinston
Better check your cell phone.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:49 am to REG861
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Some gems from the Politard board today about Russia’s “pager” moment:
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Do you want to know why Russia has not squashed Ukraine like a bug? Because they do not want to pay for the infrastructure rebuild. That is it. I mean I cannot believe people are seriously entertaining these idiotic notions that they are weak or incapable.
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- Russia's mobile air defense radar and tracking is not going to be fooled by our platforms. It's the best in the world.
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I'm ready for Russia to take all of Ukraine. Just take the whole fricking thing. Make them all Russians. If the goal was to make me hate Ukraine more than Russia, then the goal has been achieved.
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Blackrock will oversee Ukraine reconstruction with our money. That’s why the Dem doves suddenly turned hawkish.
And then this … whatever the frick this is.. from the same guy who cried about Churchill being too mean to the Nazis:
Holy Hell @ the copium.
Bunch of retards
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:51 am to VolSquatch
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For centuries the Russian people have fought for domination of their neighbors
Millions of Russians fought and died with no say so. Whether it was the Czar, Stalin or Putin; they had little choice.
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Whether they call the shots or not, sounds like you're saying they are cool with
Do you think they are cool with their masters having them shot for retreating after disastrous attacks? I don’t, but they have little choice. If you don’t tie the party line you are gone.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:06 pm to AU86
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Hey Bill. Did they cut a deal like all of those other European "allies" to send their old stuff because they will be getting new stuff furnished by the US taxpayer?
No, Tim, the Estonians are buying their stuff, just like the rest of our European allies.
It's why, if a country wants to buy a HIMARS or an F-35, the wait is many years.
That why Politards claim that the US is only supporting Ukraine to funnel money to "the MIC." They claim that warmongers push support to Ukraine to help buddies at weapons firms get rich.
You should try to get your anti-American stories straight.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
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That why Politards claim that the US is only supporting Ukraine to funnel money to "the MIC." They claim that warmongers push support to Ukraine to help buddies at weapons firms get rich
The stuff we (and everyone else) is giving Ukraine will be replaced at some point in some form, in some cases with better (and more expensive) equipment. They don’t have to be building it and sending it directly to Ukraine to get more business as a result of the war.
Like I’ve said before, maybe they are paying off politicians in various countries to prolong this, maybe not. Either way I don’t think they are particularly upset about getting more business
I think the “there’s a secret cabal pulling strings behind the scenes” takes are kind of bleak because then nothing really matters, and our global leadership seems way too dumb to accomplish that
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
What about that 1.3 billion to Egypt? Are they going to buy weapons with that? Leon wouldn't answer that, just like he dodged the question about the invasion of millions.of illegals.
BTW: Still waiting to see you post Putin's plans to attack/invade western Europe.
BTW: Still waiting to see you post Putin's plans to attack/invade western Europe.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:15 pm to AU86
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BTW: Still waiting to see you post Putin's plans to attack/invade western Europe.
Why do you believe Putin would be planning to attack Western Europe when it had been demonstrated that he can’t get through a part of Eastern Europe that isn’t protected by NATO.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:02 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:18 pm to SirWinston
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:03 pm to cypher
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Russia's mobile air defense radar and tracking is not going to be fooled by our platforms. It's the best in the world.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:36 pm to VolSquatch
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190 ethnic groups in Russia, one of the most diverse countries in the world, but we are to believe the Russian people as a whole want to dominate their neighbors, and its in their nature
I don’t know about “in their nature’, but Russia has been trying to dominate their neighbors for over two centuries.
I suggest you read The Great Game by Peter Hopkirk for a 120 year history of Russia trying to subject The Caucasus and Central Asia. And that didn’t address what they were doing to the east with Poland, The Baltic States, Finland and The Ottoman Empire.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:48 pm to AU86
Russia has attacked the Baltic States and Finland over the last decade or so, cyber attacks to shutdown banking, communications, GPS, etc...
Early February 2022, "Oh not we are not going to attack Ukraine."
As for Egypt, we give them money almost, if not every year, to buy US Grain. Egypt could feed its own people from its own fields but it makes export money by growing cotton instead.
Early February 2022, "Oh not we are not going to attack Ukraine."
As for Egypt, we give them money almost, if not every year, to buy US Grain. Egypt could feed its own people from its own fields but it makes export money by growing cotton instead.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:49 pm to Penrod
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I don’t know about “in their nature’, but Russia has been trying to dominate their neighbors for over two centuries.
The point was about the Russian people, not Russian as an entity.
Russia the entity in its various forms has done shady shite for a long, long time.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:13 pm to doubleb
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Why do you believe Putin would be planning to attack Western Europe when it had been demonstrated that he can’t get through a part of Eastern Europe that isn’t protected by NATO.
Putin had convinced himself he was powerful enough to conquer Ukraine in a couple of days.
He will convince himself he's powerful enough to take Estonia, or Latvia, or Lithuania in a couple of days... before NATO can assemble a response force in 10 days.
It's not about what I believe... it's about what Putin believes.
I assume you meant to ask me since the poster you replied to does not believe that...
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:19 pm to AU86
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What about that 1.3 billion to Egypt? Are they going to buy weapons with that? Leon wouldn't answer that, just like he dodged the question about the invasion of millions.of illegals.
I'm sure we give military aid to Egypt... and will give them a lot more in the future, along with Jordan and Saudi Arabia... they'll all basically be security partners with Israel, united against Iran.
I don't believe we're being "invaded" by millions of "illegals." There's tons of asylum seekers who turn themselves in as soon as they cross the border (and flock to the places where they will be seen as soon as they come in).
Not saying that there aren't people entering totally illegally and circumventing detection or official things, but the fact that they make it in means we don't know how many or where and how they come in. I did see a vid of guys being dropped off on a beach in southernmost California by jet ski... just dropped off on the beach and ran past sunbathers... I guess that's concierge service.
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