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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:08 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:08 am to
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If the West had stood by and watched Russia take Ukraine as they did with Crimea, I could see Russia trying to reclaim parts of Finland or the Baltic states.

Obviously Finland and most of Eastern Europe believed it. Are they clowns too?


Why is China obsessed with "reclaiming" Taiwan (which they never controlled)?

Eastern Europe and Central Asia are Russia's Taiwan... it goes beyond reason, just an obsessive need to control something to feel that they are in control of an existential threat.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:11 am to
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Did they cut a deal like all of those other European "allies" to send their old stuff because they will be getting new stuff furnished by the US taxpayer?


Incorrect assessment. They buy new stuff from the US.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:16 am to
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Why is China obsessed with "reclaiming" Taiwan (which they never controlled)?
Eastern Europe and Central Asia are Russia's Taiwan... it goes beyond reason, just an obsessive need to control something to feel that they are in control of an existential threat.


It’s like the story about the snake of scorpion biting thd guy in the rowboat. They kill the guy rowing even though it’s in their best interest to let him keep rowing to safety.

It’s their nature.

For centuries the Russian people have fought for domination of their neighbors. Right after WWII they peaked. Afghanistan started their decline. Ronald Reagan manned up to them and broke up their party.

Ukraine is an attempt to recapture the glory days.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:22 am to
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Why is China obsessed with "reclaiming" Taiwan (which they never controlled)?


Nazis in charge of Taiwan
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:31 am to
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It’s like the story about the snake of scorpion biting thd guy in the rowboat. They kill the guy rowing even though it’s in their best interest to let him keep rowing to safety.

It’s their nature.

For centuries the Russian people have fought for domination of their neighbors. Right after WWII they peaked. Afghanistan started their decline. Ronald Reagan manned up to them and broke up their party.

Ukraine is an attempt to recapture the glory days.


In fairness, all of their neighbors were alternately fighting to dominate them, too. The Post-WWI & WWII landscape in Europe changed that... Russia didn't get over it.

But yes, the Glory Days... Russia alone is not truly that powerful... more of a Third World Petrostate with a lot of nukes. They want to rival the US, in GDP and military might and control of geopolitical affairs... and for that they need their empire back.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:39 am to
Putin Is Under Pressure to Call Up More Troops(WSJ)

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Months before President Vladimir Putin’s inauguration in May, he met with Defense Ministry officials who pushed for a fresh round of mobilization to recruit more troops to offset Russia’s losses on the front line in Ukraine, said a person briefed on the exchange.

Putin dismissed the idea, saying he wanted to use only those who were voluntarily signing military contracts, the person said.

The exchange highlighted a thorny dilemma facing Putin. While he has resisted a troop mobilization that could come at a political cost, Western estimates suggest Russia is now losing more men on the battlefield than it can recruit to replace them.

Now, Ukraine’s continuing incursion into Russia is further straining Russia’s manpower, underscoring chronic problems and leading the country’s military leaders to press for mobilization again, according to three people familiar with the discussions. More than a month into the first invasion of Russian territory since World War II, Moscow has yet to mount a major counteroffensive to push Ukrainian troops back across the border.

“Forces are currently not sufficient to achieve the original war aims, knock Ukraine out of the war, to undermine its military potential or protect border regions of the Russian territory,” said the person briefed on the exchange with Putin. “More and more people are saying mobilization is inevitable.”

The Russian Defense Ministry didn’t respond to a request for comment. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the recruitment of contract soldiers and volunteers is happening at a rapid pace. “This satisfies the needs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation,” Peskov said in an email.

In Russia, troop mobilizations can include everything from calling up reservists to drafting people of military age into service. Russia’s first post-invasion mobilization in the fall of 2022 sought to add 300,000 to the ranks of the Russian military, by calling up reservists and former soldiers. That effort, which also drafted men with little or no military service, sparked protests and prompted some regions to close borders to keep men from fleeing.

The pressure to do another mobilization comes as the casualties in the war in Ukraine have reached roughly one million, The Wall Street Journal has reported. To be sure, Russia has a manpower advantage over Ukraine, which has a population less than one-quarter of the size of its giant neighbor.

Still, a shortage of manpower has been a longstanding problem for Russia, where paramilitary Wagner forces recruited inmates to serve at the front earlier in the war. Russia’s problems are becoming more acute. With Moscow’s troops heavily engaged in capturing the eastern Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk, Russia has turned to young and inexperienced conscripts and pulled troops from other parts of the front line in Ukraine to defend Russian territory.

“Russia didn’t take the bait in sending crucial front-line soldiers to Kursk, but given their constraints, they’ve been forced to take troops from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia where they’re less needed,” said Rob Lee, senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a U.S. foreign-policy think tank.

Troops that have been sent to the Kursk region include units from the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade based in Crimea, the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade and the 56th Airborne Regiment, which had been fighting in Zaporizhzhia, said a report from the Institute for the Study of War, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Kursk Gov. Aleksei Smirnov said late last month that new detachments would be formed specifically to counter the Ukrainians. The Institute for the Study of War said the reshuffling of troops “avoided declaring general mobilization or another round of partial mobilization, both of which would be incredibly unpopular among Russian society.”

Until now, Russia has managed to maintain troop levels by recruiting volunteers. In mid-July, the Defense Ministry said it had recruited around 190,000 men since the start of the year, and Russian and Western estimates show Moscow is recruiting about 1,000 men every day from across the country.

But Russia has gained ground in eastern Ukraine by throwing successive waves of soldiers at Ukrainian lines. That is leading to a high number of fatalities, with U.K. Defense Minister John Healey telling Parliament this month that the U.K. estimated Russia was losing 1,100 soldiers a day.

In July, Putin tried to boost troop numbers by doubling a one-time payment for new recruits to 400,000 rubles, or roughly $4,300, a huge sum in many parts of Russia. Some 8% of the Russian budget is now dedicated to paying for military personnel, Western officials say.

New recruitment stations have been set up around Moscow recently, including in the city’s sprawling metro system, where volunteers sit at folding tables, handing out pamphlets to passersby.

Russia’s flagging troop strength became painfully obvious during Russia’s offensive earlier this year on Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city. Russian forces gained ground but the offensive, which was launched in May and continued over the summer, suffered high casualties and was halted by the Ukrainians.

“The tempo of our progress has slowed,” veteran military correspondent Yuri Kotenok wrote in a post on his Telegram Channel in late July. “For those who don’t understand, there is PHYSICALLY NO ONE to carry out attacks.”

Kotenok said part of the logic of driving forward at all costs was the desire by commanders to be in the best position possible on the battlefield if talks start later this year.

At the meeting with Putin earlier this year, Defense Ministry officials said the president should use his inauguration, and attendant boost in political support, to make the case for a mobilization.

Putin declined to do so, with memories of the unrest that followed the 2022 mobilization still fresh. Protests gripped some of Russia’s biggest cities, recruitment offices were attacked, and border crossings were choked with men fleeing.

Russian leaders also fear that a mobilization could upset a delicate balance that they have tried to strike in the public’s perception of the war. Russian media and state propaganda has sought to portray the war as a heroic but distant conflict. They want Russians to feel they can continue to enjoy a normal life, along with rising incomes and greater redistribution of wealth as a result of the war.

“While the balance between the demands of the front and the supply of manpower is a delicate one, for now Moscow is handling the situation the best it can,” said Ruslan Pukhov, director of Moscow-based think tank the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. “What they choose to do in the future is all about priorities.”

A new mobilization would bring the war home to more Russians, something Putin would have to justify with sharper rhetoric. Tying more Russians to the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine could have dangerous political implications for Putin.

“People want to continue their lives, which for them are peaceful. It’s dangerous for the Kremlin to carry out another partial or full mobilization,” said Andrei Kolesnikov, an independent Russia analyst, based in Moscow.

Data from Levada Center, Russia’s only remaining independent pollster, showed 46% of the population feared a new mobilization wave could be possible because of the war, 12 percentage points higher than in February of this year, the last time the question was asked. But since the Kursk invasion, support for the continuation of the war is back up to 41% after dropping slightly in favor of peace negotiations in recent months.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:43 am to
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In fairness, all of their neighbors were alternately fighting to dominate them, too


No question about that. But as things evolved post WWII Russia saw themselves as conquerors where the West having learned from WWI tried to figure out a way to a lasting peace.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:08 am to
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it goes beyond reason, just an obsessive need to control something to feel that they are in control of an existential threat.


It’s like the story about the snake of scorpion biting thd guy in the rowboat. They kill the guy rowing even though it’s in their best interest to let him keep rowing to safety.

It’s their nature.

For centuries the Russian people have fought for domination of their neighbors.


I didn't even have to go back for quotes to appease that illiterate LSU fan, I got new ones within a day

190 ethnic groups in Russia, one of the most diverse countries in the world, but we are to believe the Russian people as a whole want to dominate their neighbors, and its in their nature

BUT remember lads, when the narrative calls for it the Russian people also don't support the war and want to oust Putin. Any day now there is going to be a coup and Putin will be replaced by someone who will just say "lets pack our bags, go home, and completely capitulate to people who hate us"
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 10:09 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:28 am to
Moscow Man Gets Five Years In Prison For Talking To RFE/RL

Moscow resident Yury Kokhovets has been sentenced to five years in prison for condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine during an interview on the street in July 2022 with a reporter from RFE/RL.

The Moscow City Court handed down the decision on September 17, cancelling a lower court's decision in April to sentence Kokhovets to five years of "forced labor."

Kokhovets was immediately taken into custody after the decision was pronounced.

The punishment defined as forced labor in Russia means that convicts do not serve their terms in prison, but instead can choose to stay home and be sent to work at a nearby industrial facility as designated by the Federal Penitentiary Service.

A certain portion of their salaries are deducted by the state.

The Moscow City Court, however, said it changed the sentence after finding Kokhovets guilty of "distributing false information about the Russian military on the basis of political hatred."

In July 2022, Kokhovets was approached by an RFE/RL journalist who asked him if he thought a detente between Russia and NATO countries was needed.

"Of course we need (de-escalation), but it all depends on our government. It is our government that started it all.... It is Russia who created all these problems," Kokhovets told RFE/RL.

"I don't see any problems with NATO, it is not planning to attack anyone."

RFE/RL
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42610 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:35 am to
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190 ethnic groups in Russia, one of the most diverse countries in the world, but we are to believe the Russian people as a whole want to dominate their neighbors


Do you honestly believe the Russian people have a say so?

You should know that Russia is controlled by a relatively small group. They are the ones that call the shots.

What the Russian people want doesn’t matter.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:41 am to
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150130 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:42 am to
Bombing pediatric hospitals and old folks homes is what the poli board supports
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 10:43 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:59 am to
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Do you honestly believe the Russian people have a say so?

You should know that Russia is controlled by a relatively small group. They are the ones that call the shots.

What the Russian people want doesn’t matter.


This you?

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It’s their nature.

For centuries the Russian people have fought for domination of their neighbors


Whether they call the shots or not, sounds like you're saying they are cool with it
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:06 am to
Russia as the USSR did have plans to attack Western Europe. Hell, it attacked its own allies, Hungary then Czechoslovakia. NATO never ever had any plans to attack the USSR or the Russian Federation. It did attack Georgia and Ukraine.

Maybe you are the naive one.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:11 am to
I just can't understand why they haven't evacuated a city that close to the Russian border with a full on war going on. And it's not like it started last week.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:20 am to
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190 ethnic groups in Russia, one of the most diverse countries in the world, but we are to believe the Russian people as a whole want to dominate their neighbors, and its in their nature


Cool bro, so when you make your blanket statements about the actions of US administrations you don't agree with, you mean all 337,000,000+ American citizens including yourself?
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:24 am to
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quote:
190 ethnic groups in Russia, one of the most diverse countries in the world, but we are to believe the Russian people as a whole want to dominate their neighbors


Do you honestly believe the Russian people have a say so?

You should know that Russia is controlled by a relatively small group. They are the ones that call the shots.

What the Russian people want doesn’t matter.


Don't talk facts, he's being emotional here... though he believes it is the opposite.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:26 am to
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Whether they call the shots or not, sounds like you're saying they are cool with it


Lima Whiskey assures us that they support it 100% and will happily sacrifice their lives for the cause!
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:27 am to
Is Egypt going to pay back that 1.3 billion in military aid that they got the other day? Does that mean that they are buying 1.3 billion in equipment?


I find it ironic that you leftists are far more concerned with Russia invading Ukraine, Poland or the Baltics than you are with your own country being invaded by millions of illegals that has been orchestrated and aided by this treasonous regime.

Sad.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:30 am to
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Russia as the USSR did have plans to attack Western Europe.


Then let's see the plans Bill.

You are a Koolaid drinker.
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