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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:55 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 10:55 am to
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They need to add some experienced F16 pilots and maintenance people to the hiring.



And maybe a few accountants on an independent payroll
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:26 am to
Despite the embargo on allowing experienced US pilots and maintenance staff, what about Europeans experienced in the F-16?
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 11:51 am to
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:18 pm to
Wonder if it to get NATO countries to allow them to use long range weapons deep into Russia?
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:51 pm to
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Despite the embargo on allowing experienced US pilots and maintenance staff, what about Europeans experienced in the F-16?


That could go a long way to force the Russian glide bombers back out of range and add more effective HARM missiles too.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:03 pm to
Ukraine says take your de escalation and shove it

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Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:38 pm to
Russia is pulling retried equipment out of storage, meanwhile Ukraine is developing new weapons.



That's some funny shite
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:52 pm to
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That could go a long way to force the Russian glide bombers back out of range and add more effective HARM missiles too.


The Russian air defenses, and the Russian fighters will keep them away from the line of contact. The R-37 for example substantially outranges the AIM-120
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:13 pm to
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WTF does that worthless piece of shat think he is?



Taking over Russian land as well as their only functioning gas export facility to the few European customers it has left.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:34 pm to
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According to my friends who live in Russia and recently took the train to St Petersburg it is well on its way. Normally the overnight train takes 8 hours which means that train averages around 88 km/hr. It took them almost 18 hours this time. That is an average speed of 39 km/hr. It was so bad that they took a bus back. It was not a nice bus either. My friend said it looked like it had been transported from 1985 to today. He said it still had the Hammer and Sickle on the head pillows


Who do they blame for this?


Privately they blame Putin but most of my friends are people that I met on missionary trips. They have been anti-Putin stopped allowing Americans to adopt Russian babies and started cracking down on nonorthodox Christians in the mid 2010s. The couple who runs an adoption agency is not afraid openly criticize Putin because someone has to run the orphanage (which has more babies than it can handle BTW) and they do not believe the government will close an orphanage to send them to jail. The average Russian has to limit his complaining to Russian State owned enterprises. The average Russian cannot complain about the war causing the lack of spare part, but he can complain about it as long as he turns his complaint into a complaint about buying western technology in the first place. Like "They cannot keep the trains running on time, why did locomotives which required western technology? My flight is cancelled because of mechanical issues. Why did Aeroflot stop buying Tupulolev airplanes to buy Boeing planes? My friends say that the discontent in Moscow and St Petersburg is really growing, but half of my friends think nothing will ever happen. The other think that a plane will crash coming into Moscow, a train will derail, or some other major disaster will happen that cannot be covered up and the whole pot will boil over then. Personally I am leaning towards nothing happening because I believe the Russian people are sheep who prefer autocratic rule and I really don't want to hope for something like a plane crash or a passenger train derail to happen anywhere.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:52 pm to
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R-37 for example substantially outranges the AIM-120


First of all, those are different missiles. Yes they are both air to air. But the 37 is not designed to take on fighters. It is designed to shoot down AWACS, Tankers, and long range bombers like B-52.

It has essentially 0% chance of taking down an F-16. The F-16 will easily out manuver it.

And second of all, the AIM 120-Ds that Ukraine is getting have about the same range as the R-37. But they are a much more advanced, much more capable missile. The R-37 was built in the 80s with 70s technology. And the Russians have not been able to upgrade them significantly.

The D model has about 1000x more computer power and much higher levels of software development than the 37. It's absurd to say the 37 is a more capable platform. That's simply not true.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:53 pm to
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The Russian air defenses, and the Russian fighters will keep them away from the line of contact.


1. They ain't many Russian air defense systems left comrade.

2. Russian fighters will have to get within SAM range to engage Ukrainian jets. If Russian jets would not risk it to shoot down a Ukrainian Mig29, why would they risk it for an F16?

quote:

The R-37 for example substantially outranges the AIM-120


How do you know that? The range of the AIM-120 is classified and not published. Only estimates are published. The range of the R-37 is published but like everything else Russia has produced it is exaggerated.
Posted by SmogkDeizKnutz
Member since Feb 2023
559 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Hira Afridi
@HiraAfridi_
JUST IN ?: Ukrainian forces have opened a new front inside Russia and are breaking through Russian border in Belgorod region.


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Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:54 pm to
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only functioning gas export facility to the few European customers it has left.


Do what?? I believe that that is not their only functional export pipeline
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:14 pm to
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only functioning gas export facility to the few European customers it has left.


Do what?? I believe that that is not their only functional export pipeline


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Ukrainian forces captured the “Sudzha” gas metering station — a crucial part of the last remaining Russian pipeline still sending gas to Europe through Ukraine.
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Russia's main European customers are Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, and the Czech Republic which all have been given waivers to buy Russian gas through the Ukrainian pipeline network. Ukraine has control of the metering station now as well as the network.

Technically the Turkstream pipeline which supplies the Balkans, Greece, and Italy. However most of those countries have switched to LNG and Turkstream cannot supply the EU countries which have waivers to buy Russian gas.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30447 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by SmogkDeizKnutz
Member since Feb 2023
559 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:39 pm to


Ukraine is about to turn the tide on the Ruskies
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:45 pm to
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echnically the Turkstream pipeline which supplies the Balkans, Greece, and Italy. However most of those countries have switched to LNG and Turkstream cannot supply the EU countries which have waivers to buy Russian gas.


TANAP from Azerbaijan via Turkey, which Kazakh gas has also shifted to that connects with TAPS (Trans Adriatic Pipeline System)

Sudzha metering station is on THE major pipeline it goes to the major hub for Eastern Europe in Austria. Similar to Henry Hub near Erath, LA and WaHa Hub at Kermit, TX

Orban has been screaming bloody murder which should mean something
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:52 pm to
BS. A quick Google search says they have like five more operating unimpeded
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:56 pm to
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BS. A quick Google search says they have like five more operating unimpeded


The pipeline through Ukraine from Rostov has been closed for a decade by Ukraine.

The pipeline via Belarus has been closed sometime since Feb 2022 by Gazprom

The pipeline via Poland had been closed for sometime. Yamal pipeline is closed.

If you don't know a subject, Google will give wrong info almost every single time
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 5:02 pm
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