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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:15 pm to
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Douglas Macgregor


This only shows you follow idiots
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Why can’t they take back the settlements Russia controls in Ukraine?


I assume those positions are fortified and the Russians are dug in. The Kursk areas Russia was asleep at the wheel. As to your comment below, there’s string leverage potential here.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:32 pm to
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This is true, by the way. Not propaganda.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:55 pm to
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This is true, by the way. Not propaganda.


As a reference, East Baton Rouge Parish is 1200 km2.

Also, more than twice the size of Orleans Parish
Posted by crookedicat
Member since Aug 2005
492 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:58 pm to
Thanks for all the info… Keep it up!
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 2:37 pm to
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I assume those positions are fortified and the Russians are dug in. The Kursk areas Russia was asleep at the wheel. As to your comment below, there’s string leverage potential here.



And thats why Russia is scrambling to expel Ukraine before they can get dug in.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 2:55 pm to
Ukraine is beyond both lines of trench defense systems of the Surovikin line and did that on day one
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 3:19 pm to
Meanwhile, Putin's cheerleaders are still in absolute denial:

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 3:34 pm to
Sorry, not sorry, if already posted

Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 3:47 pm to
I'm seeing conflicting reports of course...how can you tell what's the real dealio?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 4:13 pm to
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Russia begins its response to Ukraine's incursion into Kursk. Multiple ministries are involved and the command structure is still forming. Someone in Ukraine knew what they were doing and exploited a weak seam in Russian C2. A few important issues to watch:

Russia has declared its defense operation to be a "counter-terrorist operation" (KTO in Russian). This is a domestic operation and the FSB and Rosgvardia have roles along with the military. This is what the war in Chechnya was called from 1999 until it ended.

Putin has instructed the FSB (+ its border troops) and Rosgvardia to defend the borders and assist this operation. He also told the military today that their main task is driving out Ukrainian forces from Russian territory and countering Ukrainian recon and sabotage groups

Who is responsible for what in Kursk? FSB Border troops and Rosgvardia have responsibility for the border and ensuring its defense. For the military: Kursk is located in Moscow Military District, but the troops forward deployed IVO Ukraine belong to the Leningrad MD

The entirety of the area was formerly the Western Military District (2010-24). Russia decided to split it up in March-April 2024 to cope with NATO expansion. It named two commanders: Lapin (LEMD) and Kozovlev (MOMD).

The Operational Group of Forces North received a name change and upgrade about 1-2 weeks before it attacked Kharkiv in May. Prior to May it was a territorial defense group. So for the past 3 months it's been transitioning from a defensive to offensive orientation, meaning

that this Russian Op Group was much weaker than the others: from May - Aug it had a major reorganization, a new commander, and attacked Kharkiv early. It's MOD units are now bogged down in Kharkiv and that offensive is not making progress

Someone in Ukraine knew where to press. The AFU attacked a weak spot (Kursk) of the weakest Op Group. A C2 scramble between FSB border guards, Akhmat fighters, and any MOD forces that could rally ensued in week 1.

Russia has experience in creating a combined C2 structure that involves internal security agencies and the military from its experience in the second Chechen war. In the 90s, a joint command was established in what was then the North Caucasus MD HQ

I raise this because Bortnikov and Gerasimov worked with this specific C2 arrangement in Chechnya. While today's situation is much different, they remember how to work together. Implementation is a different matter of course, but I note the experience

I haven't seen a KTO headquarters established yet. Who could lead it? All military district commanders are dual hatted as operational group commanders and their forces are engaged. MOD options could be: Lapin, Kozovlev, Nikiforov, Gerasimov. /

It's Lapin's AOR, but Op Group North is weak. The territory is Moscow MD, but Kozovlev and many of his forces are in eastern Ukraine. Nikiforov is Ground Forces commander and former op group commander, his name is circulating online. Gerasimov also given the stakes

Rosgvardia's tasks will be to set up cordons, roadblocks, and other barriers. FSB border guards in the area have been taken prisoner already, to include conscripts , a very politically sensitive issue for Putin.

FSB assets will be doing recon and trying to sweep up AFU teams, and interrogation. Russian forces are already taking small numbers of AFU teams as prisoner. Here I worry about what comes next because the FSB uses horrible torture methods

Russia's MChS (Ministry of Emergency Situations) is also now engaging with evacuations of towns. Russia is showing videos of some armor moving and eventually I would anticipate more helicopter, VKS assets. They will probably use artillery especially if the towns are emptied.

This AFU operation has successfully exploited seams of responsibility between the FSB, Rosgvardia and MOD. I suspect targeted leaks will emerge between MOD/GRU and FSB over who is responsible for intel and defense failures

AFU invaded Russia despite 2 years of partial mobilization in Kursk, 10 years of legislation to make power ministries coordinate better, and a 2023 offer from Prigozhin to help guard the border (Shoigu rejected it). Bardak as usual. Now the reaction begins

This war has left Russia's borders weak, the army engaged in Ukraine and not immediately available to defend border regions, and FSB border troops not supported. The Russian system's instinct will be to overcorrect and swing harshly at Kursk.




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Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 4:18 pm to
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How many mil personnel did Russia loose during its invasion into Ukraine? I keep getting this question, because BBC and Mediazona keeps building name by name list of KIA. Here are our figures, analysis and math behind them (thread)

2.We used open source info to establish names of 63,154 Rus.soldiers KIA in Ukraine. 48% had no affiliation with armed forces at the time the fighting began. At least 159 were conscripts, ie 18-21 year-olds doing national service and not trained for war. But what r real figures?

3.Real losses are higher than we can establish through open sources. Military specialists suggest our analysis of Russian cemeteries, war memorials and obituaries captures 55-70% of the true death figure, ie RusKIA may range from 90,220 to 114,825 men. But even that is not final

.The numbers increase sharply if we included KIA from units of Russian occupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Their data is either no longer published or was never published, but we keep analysing obituaries and reports of searches for men MIA.

Those lead us to conclude the Donbas units have lost 20,000-23,500 men. That brings the total death count on the Russian side to between 110,220 and 138 325 troops KIA. More details can be found here bbcrussian.substack.com/p/almost-13500…


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This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 5:04 pm to
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Russia will have to deploy 'elite' troops to fight Ukraine's incursion in the Kursk region, as it will do "whatever it takes" to claim back Russian ground.

Security and defence analyst Professor Michael Clarke has told Sky News the incursion is "getting bigger" and "seems to be 30 miles long and around 18 miles deep" which in military terms is "pretty big".

He said the battle will be measured "in days and weeks not weeks and months".


Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
11044 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 5:10 pm to
Don and Viktor have it all figured out. Taken care of in one day I bet.



Viktor Orban met Donald Trump in Florida in the latest leg of his controversial “peace mission” for Ukraine, saying the former president is “going to solve it!” in reference to the war.

The Hungarian prime minister had already sparked anger in the West by holding talks with Vladimir Putin in Moscow and his close ally Xi Jinping in China less than a week ago after meeting Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv.

Mr Orban is an outlier among Nato and EU members for his Ukrainian ceasefire demands, cosy relationship with Putin, refusal to send weapons to Kyiv and opposition to sanctions against the Kremlin.

The strongman was in the US for a Nato summit aimed at demonstrating Western unity and resolve in the face of Russian aggression in Ukraine.

After the summit he flew to Florida and Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, without holding talks with Joe Biden, with whom he has a strained relationship after the president criticised his backsliding on democratic standards.

Mr Orban, who has repeatedly backed Trump in November’s US presidential election, posted a photo of himself beaming with the Republican candidate and both giving the thumbs up after the meeting on Thursday.

“We discussed ways to make peace. The good news of the day: he’s going to solve it!,” Mr Orban said, as he hailed his “peace mission 5.0”.

“Thank you Viktor,” Trump replied on social media.

“There must be PEACE, and quickly. Too many people have died in a war that should have never started!” he added.

Mr Orban, who has forged close ties with US conservatives, has previously said that Mr Trump would end the war in Ukraine soon after winning the White House.


Nobody can suck a cock and call people a fig like Donald.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 5:22 pm to
Graham, Blumenthal in Kyiv: White House should lift restrictions on strikes deep into Russia

U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal from the Democratic Party and Lindsey Graham from the Republican Party have called on the White House to lift all restrictions on Ukraine's use of U.S.-made weapons for strikes deep inside Russia.

The senators said this at a briefing in Kyiv on Monday, according to an Ukrinform correspondent.

Ukrinform
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
116930 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 5:52 pm to
Russia claiming this is unsportsmanlike?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 5:53 pm to
Donald loves those authoritarians, man…
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12742 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 6:14 pm to
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Donald loves those authoritarians, man…

Zelensky?
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