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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:35 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:35 pm to VolSquatch
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They don't ACTUALLY care about Ukraine
I think almost no one in the pro war lobby does
Its just a reflection of their consuming hatred for Russia, and if Ukraine was fighting alongside the Russians in some hypothetical war, they’d be calling the Ukrainians orcs and mongols too.
If you cared about the Ukrainians, you would do the math, look at the imbalance of resources, make the conclusion the war was unwinnable, and push for a rapid peace settlement that minimized both human and territorial losses.
Kiev won’t see it this way, but a Trump/Vance victory is good for them, because it would end the war sooner. With a hardliner like Biden, the war doesn’t stop, and Russia takes even more territory. Kiev loses even more men.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:38 pm to SirWinston
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Oh no, Ukraine bros! Chaim "Bill" Kristol, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger all say that JD Vance is a terrible pick for Ukraine
Your obsession with those individuals is alarming especially since you admit to being autistic. Mental illness and obsessions over people are not a good combination.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:44 pm to VolSquatch
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How important do you think this thread is?
It occupies a lot of your little brain.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:46 pm to WeeWee
Alexander Kamyshin
@AKamyshin
Two new agreements with Czech arms manufacturers today: Ukroboronprom signed contracts with Colt CZ Group (production of NATO-standard rifles in Ukraine) and Sellier & Bellot (production of small caliber ammo in Ukraine).
@AKamyshin
Two new agreements with Czech arms manufacturers today: Ukroboronprom signed contracts with Colt CZ Group (production of NATO-standard rifles in Ukraine) and Sellier & Bellot (production of small caliber ammo in Ukraine).
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:21 pm to WeeWee
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The PT board posters do not believe in facts or things that are actually true. They prefer Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.
NPC circuit boards have been replaced - you're meant to talk about Project 2025 now, not Russian interference. Please download update.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:41 pm to WeeWee
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It occupies a lot of your little brain.
Figured you'd avoid the question.
Sit down, kid.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:51 pm to VolSquatch
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Figured you'd avoid the question.
Sit down, kid.
I hope you never have to go to an ER. The MD might be a kid per you
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:21 pm to CitizenK
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“I got to be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another.”
James David Vance, future Vice President of the United States
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:30 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Its just a reflection of their consuming hatred for Russia, and if Ukraine was fighting alongside the Russians in some hypothetical war, they’d be calling the Ukrainians orcs and mongols too.
Yeah but they're not. They are fighting for their freedom. they are fighting so that they can align themselves with the EU and the US.
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If you cared about the Ukrainians, you would do the math, look at the imbalance of resources, make the conclusion the war was unwinnable, and push for a rapid peace settlement that minimized both human and territorial losses.
Ask Vietnam what they think of this argument or Afghanistan for that matter. Did the US have much of a chance against GB?
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Kiev won’t see it this way, but a Trump/Vance victory is good for them, because it would end the war sooner. With a hardliner like Biden, the war doesn’t stop, and Russia takes even more territory. Kiev loses even more men.
We agree here, Trump will hand over Ukraine to Putin in the first six months he's in office.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:44 pm to CitizenK
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I hope you never have to go to an ER. The MD might be a kid per you
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:48 pm to LeClerc
quote:I mean Ukraine can continue the war if they want. They are getting a lot of help from other countries.
We agree here, Trump will hand over Ukraine to Putin in the first six months he's in office
Reality is without direct military intervention by others they are never going to see that land under the Ukrainian flag again.
The cycle of death can continue or it can stop.
Who is going to step up and stop it, or who is going to let it linger and keep piling bodies.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:07 pm to SirWinston
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Oh no, Ukraine bros! Chaim "Bill" Kristol, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger all say that JD Vance is a terrible pick for Ukraine. It's so sad that Trump didn't factor in Ukraine's well-being when making this pick and that he will end your LARP project before he is sworn in.
If it's any consultation, Ukraine will not be the only reason Trump/Vance lose the election.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:20 pm to LeClerc
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Yeah but they're not. They are fighting for their freedom.
It’s a civil war, there’s an identity split in Ukraine that goes back to the Commonwealth.
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Ask Vietnam what they think of this argument or Afghanistan for that matter.
One of my mentors was a Vietnam vet, he was incredibly negative on our chances in Afghanistan. At the time the time I thought he was being stupidly pessimistic, and narrowly applying his life experience to a completely different war.
He was right though, and I was wrong.
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Did the US have much of a chance against GB?
Yes
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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push for a rapid peace settlement that minimized both human and territorial losses
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With a hardliner like Biden, the war doesn’t stop, and Russia takes even more territory.
What peace settlement has been offered from Russia that accomplished this? Hell the last offer they made called for Ukraine to withdraw from territory Russia never had control of to START negotiations
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:25 pm to Pfft
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I mean Ukraine can continue the war if they want. They are getting a lot of help from other countries.
The aid is coming at our request and insistence. It would end if DC cuts off support.
More than half of Ukraines budget is covered by direct foreign aid, and Ukraine doesn’t have the industry to keep their army supplied and supported. So they would have to rapidly seek peace in this scenario. They just wouldn’t have a choice.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:25 pm to StormyMcMan
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What peace settlement has been offered from Russia that accomplished this? Hell the last offer they made called for Ukraine to withdraw from territory Russia never had control of to START negotiations
The next deal they offer will be worse for Ukraine.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:26 pm to Lima Whiskey
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It’s a civil war,
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civ·il war
noun
a war between citizens of the same country.
"they signed a peace accord ending the country's 12-year civil war"
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:39 pm to StormyMcMan
The war is very different from what you imagine.
More than 50% of Ukrainians have family in Russia.
Russia has the single largest population of Ukrainian refugees of any country.
And if you go back and look at the prisoner exchange rosters for the DPR and LPR. The men being returned were locals.
More than 50% of Ukrainians have family in Russia.
Russia has the single largest population of Ukrainian refugees of any country.
And if you go back and look at the prisoner exchange rosters for the DPR and LPR. The men being returned were locals.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The next deal they offer will be worse for Ukraine.
Trump has already publicly stated that it is unacceptable. His complaint all along is that we wouldn't be spending the amount of money we are if he had been in office because Putin would have not INVADED, which means not a civil war.
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