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Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:22 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:22 am to
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The immigrant situation in Europe is different than what this country deals with simply because of Islam. Islam is still a conquest religion that will infest European countries and try to impose those beliefs on the countries that took them in. Multiculturalism and all that live and let live BS goes out the window when you let in thousands of people that at the core don’t like you, and they never will. History will repeat itself, and what’s currently happening in Europe is the perfect launch point for it.


Cultural Assimilation... Fundamentalist Islam is against it, since the ways of the Secular West are "evil." But any religion at the level of Fundamentalism is in that same place (see some posts here by certain people)...

But your typical "Jihadist" knows nothing about their cause... they're just young guys who are under-employed, feel cheated and screwed and looked down upon and spend too much time online and want to feel powerful. No different from the typical people radicalized into "identity groups" or even just criminal gangs.

The dynamic in Egypt actually gives a look at things, though...

Egypt had been a Military DIctatorship under Mubarak, and when he was deposed the Muslim Brotherhood instantly converted from a Religious group (which had been permitted to exist) to a political party (which previously had not been allowed) giving them a big leg up and they won the election, installing Morsi as the leader of the country... and the middle-class and up revolted and chose to go back to a military dictatorship rather than live under a fundamentalist Islamic government. Islamicists say that modern economic success corrupts people... fundamentalism generally only appeals to the poor and angry who think they're being oppressed, and the cause preaches dominating the people they believe are oppressing them.

In the US, Muslim immigrants generally have a very positive view of the country and feel good about their lives, here (especially compared to the places they've come from)... and are more likely to be highly educated than native-born Americans. Native-born Muslims here tend to be more pessimistic and see themselves as being discriminated against for being Muslim if they come from an economically disadvantaged background...

PEW RESEARCH: "Muslims in America: Immigrants and those born in U.S. see life differently in many ways"

In a nutshell, poor people feel left out and angry, and they look for an outlet for that, and that makes them easily radicalized... or generally, anybody who feels left out, overlooked, and looked down upon is the same way.

The Left's current fanatical Gaza obsession, for instance, is really about them feeling powerless because the Democratic party coalesced around Biden in the 2020 Primary and Clinton in the 2016 Primary and stopped Sanders. They feel powerless... they also seemed to bizarrely blame AIPAC for blocking Sanders (a pro-Isreal Jewish American)... and Gaza is the perfect "moral cause" to fight the power over/with... Palestinians have always been screwed, just as much by their own "leaders" as hardline Israeli governments, but the fever pitch at the moment is about something else, really.... power. They have no concern or even knowledge of Modi's Hindu supremacist government in India doing the exact same thing to Muslims that Israel has... and since - as I've mentioned an African American Political Science professor I know jokes - that situation isn't as easy to look at and conclude "okay, that side is the evil white people," they probably won't ever care.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38160 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:22 am to
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What made us successful was the immense human capital of the original settler population. They were not normal people. America could have been resource poor and it would have worked out. The other major element was the culture that the colonists brought with them.


You mean the heretics? According to you, of course.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:44 am to
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People will automatically become successful if they change countries? And they’re working and living in an alien society?


No one is "automatically successful," unless they are born wealthy (and even then they can lose their wealth if they aren't wise with it).

But this is the land of opportunity, and the results point out that immigrants do well here.

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That’s Marxist claptrap.

What made us successful was the immense human capital of the original settler population. They were not normal people. America could have been resource poor and it would have worked out. The other major element was the culture that the colonists brought with them.


The inscription on the Statue of Liberty is a Marxist claptrap?

Ah... "American Exceptionalism!" Of course... only the original colonists were exceptional, of course... overlooking that many of them starved to death, that the ones who didn't just moved into the remnants of a Native American farming village that was already cultivated after previous contact passed on germs that eliminated the original inhabitants. Overlooking the hundreds of years of immigrants (voluntary or forced) from many places afterwards that provided the labor that built the country.

This is the 4th of July, I don't feel like putting up with your bullshite today, frankly, Go eat a firecracker you sad angry little man.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15752 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 10:27 am to
Without the Dutch bankers no revolution could have been funded. Oh we got money from France but those bankers were key.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 10:46 am to
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What made us successful was the immense human capital of the original settler population. They were not normal people. America could have been resource poor and it would have worked out. The other major element was the culture that the colonists brought with them.


Look at that 143 IQ in action!
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 10:58 am to
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Look at that 143 IQ in action!


Wasn't that Sir Winston (not that I don't suspect they're the same person a lot of the time)?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15752 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:51 am to
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Look at that 143 IQ in action!


IF he's being truthful then it is a bought and paid for IQ
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:54 am to
Random tweets

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Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban will go to moscow tomorrow — he is planning a meeting with putin.

This is reported by the Hungarian service of "Radio Liberty".

LINK

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Orbán will visit Moscow

It is reported that the Hungarian prime minister will travel to Moscow together with Foreign Minister Szijjártó, who was absent from Orbán's delegation to Kyiv.

Recall, on July 2, Orban visited Kyiv.

LINK

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Russian strikes have severely damaged or destroyed approximately 90% of DTEK’s thermal power generation capacity over the past three months.

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58-year-old Lyudmila Teteneva has been sentenced to 8 years in a general penal colony for social media posts criticizing Russia's Special Military Operation in Ukraine. She was convicted by Judge Denis Torkunov of the Central District Military Court in Yekaterinburg for spreading false information and inciting terrorism online.

LINK

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Russia Forces Apple to Remove VPN Services from App Store

Roskomnadzor, the Russian Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, has demanded that several VPN services be immediately removed from the Russian version of the Apple App Store. Red Shield VPN and Le VPN were both removed due to the presence of “illegal content”.

In a statement following the removal, Red Shield VPN’s press service stated: “We are aware of at least one other VPN app that was removed at the same time as ours. We encourage journalists and human rights organizations to publish information and send requests to Apple about this.”

LINK

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Russia will buy soap, personal hygiene items and toiletries from North Korea

A company from Pyongyang has applied for registration of a trademark for the relevant products.

North Korean manufacturers are also considering the possibility of supplying jeans, bags and shoes.


LINK

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??Slovakia is preparing to increase the supply of electricity to Ukraine in the autumn-winter period.

This was announced by the President of Slovakia, Peter Pellegrini.

Pellegrini called this period "probably critical" for Ukraine.

LINK

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 12:12 pm to
You are a Bernie Sanders type. A Socialist. A leftist do gooder.

Your multiculturalism ideology is a disaster. It has failed in Europe and those people are finally waking up. You and your type are a great threat to this nation and it's original principles. Your type ideology and it's "success" is on display in today's cities. That ideology has turned America's cities into liberal anti American shitholes. Take a look at Portland, San Francisco, etc. It has greatly weakened a great nation.

This board gives Lima and his ideology hell and that is their right. I don't agree with everything that he says either.. But for anyone that upvotes your leftist ideology tells me that they either agree with you or they are willing to accept it. And that is dangerous or exhibits weakness that is not willing to call out your type. That type weakness has got us where we are today. This thread has several examples of those types.

I would imagine that you view the Omar and Tailib types as great patriotic Americans don't you.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 12:45 pm to
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IF he's being truthful then it is a bought and paid for IQ


Imagine being unable to persuade people that one is intelligent though dialogue and thus paying for some test so that he can "prove" that he's smart.

How often do you think that he gets a ruler out to measure his schwang?
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:39 pm to
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But for anyone that upvotes your leftist ideology tells me that they either agree with you or they are willing to accept it. And that is dangerous or exhibits weakness that is not willing to call out your type. That type weakness has got us where we are today. This thread has several examples of those types.


Some of the "Republicans" on this thread have TDS worse than most leftists do.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:00 pm to
There are one or two Bill Kristol types on here.

There are several Trump supporters who just support Ukraine. I believe that.

And there are some dyed in the wool lefties. The one that I responded to tries to deny it. Hell I would be ashamed of it also.

And there are some Russian or anti- Ukraine supporters that check in every now and again.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5653 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:10 pm to
Ukraine war latest: Ukraine withdraws from eastern Chasiv Yar neighborhood, military says

by Elsa Court July 4, 2024 10:24 PM

Key developments on July 4:

Ukraine withdraws from eastern Chasiv Yar neighborhood, military says

Media: Orban to meet with Putin in Moscow following Kyiv visit

14 brigades underarmed, aid arriving too slowly, Zelensky comments on battlefield situation

Russia attacks port facilities near Odesa, killing 1, injuring 7

97% of Russian missiles, drones, bombs hit civilian infrastructure, diplomat says

Ukrainian troops have withdrawn from the Kanal neighborhood of the embattled town of Chasiv Yar in Donetsk Oblast, said Nazar Voloshyn, the spokesperson for the Khortytsia group of forces, on state television on July 4.

The decision was made because defensive positions in the neighborhood were destroyed, and commanders agreed to withdraw to better-protected positions, Voloshyn said.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:24 pm to
I do not deny being a Leftist.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:37 pm to
Losing Chasiv Yar would be bad for Ukraine, because of the elevation and the artillery control that allows over surrounding cities and supply routes.

it's happening for two reasons:

The Russians just reduce the areas - like the outer neighborhood Ukraine Forces pulled out of today - to complete rubble until there is no cover at all for Ukrainian troops...

And that has happened because of delay in aid and ammunition, which even now is trickling too slowly to the frontlines where it is needed.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 3:46 pm to
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Imagine being unable to persuade people that one is intelligent though dialogue


Yeah that doesn't happen in this thread
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 4:15 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5436 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 4:42 pm to
But do you deny being a moron?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 5:15 pm to
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But do you deny being a moron?


Do you?
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8665 posts
Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:04 pm to
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Immigrants tend to thrive wherever they go, if the place they go is not controlled by the same people who controlled or set up the system where they came from...


Again, I’m talking about the flood of Muslims that are being let into European Countries. If you mean those people thrive because they slowly impose what they believe on the people that foolishly took them in then yeah, that’s correct. They leave those Shithole Countries knowing damn well most Europeans will take care of them, while at the same time doing the same crap that went on in those Shithole Countries. The flame is getting brighter when it comes to people getting fed up with governments letting in the conquest religion, and treating them better than actual citizens that pay for the nonsense.
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