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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:54 pm to lsuoilengr
Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:54 pm to lsuoilengr
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But do you deny being a moron?
He is worse than a moron. He is a radical leftist. A communist that is further left than that old dipshit Rex was. He has that Obama ideology going for him.
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Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:55 pm to gizmothepug
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Again, I’m talking about the flood of Muslims that are being let into European Countries. If you mean those people thrive because they slowly impose what they believe on the people that foolishly took them in then yeah, that’s correct. They leave those Shithole Countries knowing damn well most Europeans will take care of them, while at the same time doing the same crap that went on in those Shithole Countries. The flame is getting brighter when it comes to people getting fed up with governments letting in the conquest religion, and treating them better than actual citizens that pay for the nonsense.
Post WWII Western Europe was rebuilt by mostly Turks due such a high percentage of abled body men had died. They were not given citizenship and as memory tells me, this was a big issue in Germany in the 1970s. "What to do about the Turks?"
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:17 pm to AU86
If Trump gets in office he can put a stop to it. Just stop funding them. Europe doesnt have the stomach for it, and if they try and use NATO funds block it, the US has the right.
Putin will be happy to settle, he keeps the land that is his, he will not proceed further, ukraine does not join nato, and Europe gives him back the money they have stolen.
How do we know he wont attack Ukraine again......how do we know the war mongers pretending to be nato wont try and encroach further?
If ukraine does not agree, simply let them continue without US support, it wont take long, the people of ukraine will get rid of cargo pants.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:22 pm to trinidadtiger
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Putin will be happy to settle, he keeps the land that is his
That's the thing.....it's not his.
Leveling a village with glide bombs and then hoisting a flag over the wasteland doesn't make something "yours".
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:25 pm to CitizenK
Furthermore, Hungary NEEDS the EU for its economy, so needs abide by what feeds it. Orban has put himself and Hungary between a rock and a hard place. He led Hungary's application for the EU and NATO. His party passed an amendment that laws passed could not be thrown out if unconstitutional
He's kleptocrat at best.
As far as Europe, they stopped making babies several decades ago. and need workers. They tried this way and it apparently is going to according to plan
He's kleptocrat at best.
As far as Europe, they stopped making babies several decades ago. and need workers. They tried this way and it apparently is going to according to plan
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:29 pm to CitizenK
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They were not given citizenship and as memory tells me, this was a big issue in Germany in the 1970s. "What to do about the Turks?"
Easy. Send their arse back to Turkey where they belong.
Problem solved.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:49 pm to CitizenK
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As far as Europe, they stopped making babies several decades ago. and need workers. They tried this way and it apparently is going to according to plan
They don’t need unskilled labor. They don’t need welfare dependents.
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stopped making babies several decades ago
It’s liberalism
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:00 pm to gizmothepug
Well, no, that's not empirically true.
If there's something special about "Mulsim" immigrants, it's that the poor among them have had horrible if any education, as schools in Islamic-controlled countries (or Saudi Arabia, which doesn't want a big educated Middle-Class getting pissed at having a Monarchy rule them) just push religious education over all else... and combined with poor language skills in the language of their host country, that is a barrier... but no more of a barrier than poorly educated immigrants from any other countries of any other religions who aren't fluent in the language face... and within a generation the kids of those immigrants who are raised and educated in the host countries mostly overcome those barriers.
Educated middle-class immigrants from Muslim countries who already have a vocation or profession and are fluent in the language of their host countries do well.
And as Muslim immigrants do better and move up the socio-economic ladder, they cling less to the "Muslim" identity. Like anybody else, though, if given shite about it they'll be militant in response (cue the vid of the immigrants telling the leader of the Norwegian far-right group "we're gonna take over! We have 5 babies when you have 1" or whatever... their birthrates actually decrease like everybody else's once they settle into a socioeconomic class and become integrated into their host countries).
You can cherry pick examples of even upper-middle-class kids of Muslim immigrants in America who ran off to join ISIS or whatever, but those are the same as American kids who are screwy and angry regardless of how well off they are...
Deutsche Welle: "Muslims in Germany: Religion not ideal gauge of integration"
"Aspects such as length of stay, reasons for migration or social situation shaped the integration process to a far greater extent than religious affiliation," the report says.
If there's something special about "Mulsim" immigrants, it's that the poor among them have had horrible if any education, as schools in Islamic-controlled countries (or Saudi Arabia, which doesn't want a big educated Middle-Class getting pissed at having a Monarchy rule them) just push religious education over all else... and combined with poor language skills in the language of their host country, that is a barrier... but no more of a barrier than poorly educated immigrants from any other countries of any other religions who aren't fluent in the language face... and within a generation the kids of those immigrants who are raised and educated in the host countries mostly overcome those barriers.
Educated middle-class immigrants from Muslim countries who already have a vocation or profession and are fluent in the language of their host countries do well.
And as Muslim immigrants do better and move up the socio-economic ladder, they cling less to the "Muslim" identity. Like anybody else, though, if given shite about it they'll be militant in response (cue the vid of the immigrants telling the leader of the Norwegian far-right group "we're gonna take over! We have 5 babies when you have 1" or whatever... their birthrates actually decrease like everybody else's once they settle into a socioeconomic class and become integrated into their host countries).
You can cherry pick examples of even upper-middle-class kids of Muslim immigrants in America who ran off to join ISIS or whatever, but those are the same as American kids who are screwy and angry regardless of how well off they are...
Deutsche Welle: "Muslims in Germany: Religion not ideal gauge of integration"
"Aspects such as length of stay, reasons for migration or social situation shaped the integration process to a far greater extent than religious affiliation," the report says.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:00 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They don’t need unskilled labor. They don’t need welfare dependents.
You couldn't be more wrong, and many Syrians are trainable if not already have skills.
They've got pensioners out the wazoo, they already have welfare dependents and growing with no worker tax base to pay for it
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:07 pm to CitizenK
Interesting conversation with a personal/biz friend in VA. He vetted many of the candidates for the 1992, Soviet Scientist Immigration Act. He was working on his PhD in Russia when the USSR collapsed and already knew a lot of the leading scientists and which design bureaus did what.
Putin and his cronies are all from St. Petersburg and the oligarchs he has caused to lose much of or most of what they had were all from the Moscow.faction. There is definite friction between the power base in each city. Some oligarchs left Russia after he returned to power as president.
Putin and his cronies are all from St. Petersburg and the oligarchs he has caused to lose much of or most of what they had were all from the Moscow.faction. There is definite friction between the power base in each city. Some oligarchs left Russia after he returned to power as president.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:13 pm to AU86
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Easy. Send their arse back to Turkey where they belong.
Lol. You aren't going to send millions of people anywhere, let alone back to Turkey.
Not only is it not easy, you are going to create a worse clusterfrick by pursuing something like that.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:17 pm to CitizenK
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They've got pensioners out the wazoo, they already have welfare dependents and growing with no worker tax base to pay for it
The "problem," and this comes from a German guy who lives here in the US, now, is that "well... you know you always have people who aren't that smart of industrious... and then they see immigrants come who are high achievers and start excelling, so they get angry and think they're being cheated and it's all some plot! It's not, there's just some people who are smarter and harder working than others. Competition is the 'problem.' Some people don't want to have to compete against new arrivals. They don't want to work harder, they don't think they should have to work harder. They just deserve everything because they think they do from being born someplace. But what country does well with just 'okay, you were born here, you go straight to top!' That's the only qualification needed!'"
A friend from Britain says Britain is (or was) probably the "worst" of the EU countries because it so class-obsessed... London filled up with upper class people from all over Europe or elsewhere, because the people hiring would greatly prefer someone "of their same station" from France or wherever than a middle-class or, God forbid, working-class applicant who excelled at a University... and that was a BIG thing fueling BREXIT for a lot of people... resentment at busting your arse to do well but having no chance to advance because they could just invite over other elites.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:31 pm to Lima Whiskey
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stopped making babies several decades ago
It’s liberalism
How many kids do you have?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:38 pm to trinidadtiger
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If Trump gets in office he can put a stop to it. Just stop funding them. Europe doesnt have the stomach for it, and if they try and use NATO funds block it, the US has the right.
Putin will be happy to settle, he keeps the land that is his, he will not proceed further, ukraine does not join nato, and Europe gives him back the money they have stolen.
How do we know he wont attack Ukraine again......how do we know the war mongers pretending to be nato wont try and encroach further?
If ukraine does not agree, simply let them continue without US support, it wont take long, the people of ukraine will get rid of cargo pants.
NATO has essentially found ways to "Trump proof" aid to Ukraine...
And the US pulling out of NATO would not fatally wound it anymore, not now that they know it's a possibility and are prepared for it. SOme people seem to think the US pays the bills to keep NATO operating... that's not how it works. And nothing would stop US arms manufacturers from selling things to NATO...
So if Poland, the UK, France, Finland and the Baltic countries have to lead and prop things up for 4 years until Trump is out of office again, they're prepared for that...
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:43 pm to Lee B
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NATO has essentially found ways to "Trump proof" aid to Ukraine...
Not really. They're trying, though, and making some progress.
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So if Poland, the UK, France, Finland and the Baltic countries have to lead and prop things up for 4 years until Trump is out of office again, they're prepared for that...
It's an incredible disaster for them. There's so much that they depend on the US for. The good news is that Trump is leading now, and they have some time to prepare.
But, ultimately, I don't believe Trump will actually pull the US out, especially since GOP leadership in both houses of Congress will oppose it.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:55 pm to ticklechain
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine's "irreversible" "demilitarization" as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement. Putin is thus demanding that Ukraine effectively surrender in advance of any ceasefire.
Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) officers reportedly detained the commander of the Russian 83rd Guards Airborne Assault (VDV) Brigade, Colonel Artyom Gorodilov, on fraud charges on July 3 following reports of the brigade suffering heavy losses in the Kharkiv direction in June 2024.
Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's (SCO) efforts to expand its presence in Central Asia and will likely use an increased SCO presence as one of its levers to expand Russian influence in the region.
The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced the purchase of $2.2 billion worth of US-produced air defense interceptors and an aid package worth $150 million for Ukraine on July 3.
Russian forces recently advanced near Kreminna, Avdiivka, and Donetsk City.
Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev claimed on July 4 that around 190,000 Russians signed military service contracts during the first six months of 2024 during a Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) meeting about staffing the Russian military with contract soldiers.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:07 pm to crazy4lsu
Ever heard of Eisenhower's program?
Worked pretty well then.
Today you disincentivize their reason for being here. No benefits. No welfare. No phony asylum cases. No birthright citizenship. They will leave on their own. Lock down the border and there you have it.
Model it after what those hypocritical liberals did in Martha's Vinyard. That was pretty successful.
Worked pretty well then.
Today you disincentivize their reason for being here. No benefits. No welfare. No phony asylum cases. No birthright citizenship. They will leave on their own. Lock down the border and there you have it.
Model it after what those hypocritical liberals did in Martha's Vinyard. That was pretty successful.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:27 pm to AU86
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Ever heard of Eisenhower's program?
Yes
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Worked pretty well then.
It really didn't. And regardless, it isn't going to happen in Germany, for a multitude of reasons.
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Today you disincentivize their reason for being here.
German Turks are entering their 4th generation in Germany.
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They will leave on their own.
Except they won't.
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Lock down the border and there you have it.
You should really think this through. It seems like you are just typing out a wet dream rather than anything that resembles something cogent.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:33 pm to crazy4lsu
I told you.
All we have to do is follow the example of those liberal hypocrites in Martha's Vinyard.
They got it down pat!!!!
All we have to do is follow the example of those liberal hypocrites in Martha's Vinyard.
They got it down pat!!!!
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