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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:18 am to Lee B
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:18 am to Lee B
Comment on facebook to a story about "Russian threats of escalation if French or other European troops are active in any capacity in Ukraine."
"If I'm not mistaken, Russia's Army is very directly active in Syria, at the invitation of the Assad government. How is this any different?"
"If I'm not mistaken, Russia's Army is very directly active in Syria, at the invitation of the Assad government. How is this any different?"
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:23 am to VolSquatch
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then use that money on things that will actually make American lives better.
Good one.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:46 am to Lee B
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The border... if we'd stop using it as a political football and seriously pass immigration reform... but we'll keep on using it as a political football...
If they fix it they can't run on it either being open or closed
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Homelessness, poverty, hunger... all man-made systemic political social problems... if you want to solve homelessness just build excess housing and let them move into it for free. But then you're screwing the real estate market, which people will not stand for...
I think you build more shelters and criminalize sleeping/living/taking dumps on the street, and enforce laws we used to enforce like shoplifting and indecent exposure. And then give the ones who actually are down on their luck individuals in bad situations paths to employment, and you give the "professional homeless" who have no intention of getting better or are too strung out to know the difference a swift trip to the local prison since we closed the asylums.
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The problem is US, not the dollars
No one is talking about just throwing infinite piles of money at something. Its reallocting dollars we are spending on something that definitely won't help US citizens to something that at least possibly could.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:55 am to VolSquatch
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What could we do for homelesses with those dollars? What about the border? Our veterans?
It’s not an either or. We already spend billions on the homeless and our veterans. As for the border, the administration isn’t going to close our border. More money wouldn’t make them.
The fact is giving more money to government hasn’t fixed our social issues, but you know that.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:02 pm to VolSquatch
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at least possibly could.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:03 pm to Lee B
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I just got a bummer of a thought about the Taliban turning over all that military equipment we left in Afghanistan to Russia... it's all useless to the Taliban, who don't know how to use it or more importantly keep any of it working... but would that be the case with Russia?
Man if this were to happen that is going to look great on Biden's record.
Not great but it's been sitting there exposed to the elements for a couple of years so I question how much of it is in working condition by now. And if they give it to the Russians they won't have the parts to fix it either.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:05 pm to doubleb
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The fact is giving more money to government hasn’t fixed our social issues,
Some people like to wonder what would happen if instead of creating agencies and hiring people and spending budgets on helping our problem, institutionally, we just cut out the middle men and send everybody a check?
We all know some people would smoke it in meth the first week of the month and still be without anything... but they'd then have no excuse and that's that...
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:19 pm to doubleb
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It’s not an either or. We already spend billions on the homeless and our veterans
It is an either or if you are in the business of less national debt and lowering the budget deficit.
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As for the border, the administration isn’t going to close our border. More money wouldn’t make them.
The fact is giving more money to government hasn’t fixed our social issues, but you know that.
"we shouldn't spend money on our own country because our government (who we elect) wastes it, and should instead send it overseas to a country most people can't find on a map" is quite the take.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:28 pm to LSUPilot07
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Sweden is sending its entire fleet of retired Pansarbandvagn 302 APCs to Ukraine in order to outfit several new brigades being formed. Over 600 were produced over the vehicle’s lifetime.
These vehicles are very similar to M113s. I saw a report that, as of 2018, they had 181 of them in working order. The rest would be good for parts.
But the Ukrainians need all the armored vehicles they can get, so these will be very welcome.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:31 pm to VolSquatch
So what if we just let Putin have Ukraine whole... then Moldova... then Orban can do what he's always wanted and pull Hungary out of the EU and NATO and align with Putin... and why shouldn't we just quit NATO? Then Putin can have Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia... why do we give a shite? Why do we care if all of Europe is plunged into war? Doesn't affect us.
Why did we give a shite who NAZI Germany invaded, or who Imperial Japan occupied?
Why did we give a shite who NAZI Germany invaded, or who Imperial Japan occupied?
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:42 pm to Lee B
The shortbus is strong in this post
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:42 pm to Lee B
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then Orban can do what he's always wanted and pull Hungary out of the EU and NATO and align with Putin
Orban doesn't like the Russians
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:49 pm to Lee B
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So what if we just let Putin have Ukraine whole
Like Russia did up until '91?
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then Moldova
assumption
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then Orban can do what he's always wanted and pull Hungary out of the EU and NATO and align with Putin
Isn't part of the Ukraine argument that they should be allowed to do what they want, i.e. join the EU/NATO?
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and why shouldn't we just quit NATO?
Maybe we should.
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Then Putin can have Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.
Assumptions
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Why do we care if all of Europe is plunged into war? Doesn't affect us.
All of Europe does. Ukraine doesn't.
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Why did we give a shite who NAZI Germany invaded, or who Imperial Japan occupied?
Imperial Japan attacked us, Nazi Germany invaded several of our allies. And all of those countries have something to offer the US.... the best example Ukrainians have given in this thread is the 4th most abundant metal in the world that we get more of from Russia anyway
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
Got it. So you will be a first-time Biden voter this fall.
Cheers - I appreciate you clarifying.
Cheers - I appreciate you clarifying.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:59 pm to Lee B
Why Donald Trump (and Trump Supporters) hate Ukraine
LINK
I missed this article from last month but I agree with it and also hate Ukraine and Zelenskyy for similar reasons.
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KYIV — Donald Trump doesn’t easily forgive or forget.
As Trump’s Republican allies in the United States Congress block military aid that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Kyiv desperately needs to avoid defeat in its war with invading Russian forces, it’s clear the former U.S. president’s ill will toward Ukraine has deep roots.
It was, after all, a phone call with Zelenskyy that led to Trump’s first impeachment in December 2019, after he was accused of seeking to influence the 2020 election by leaning on the Ukrainian leader to investigate current President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
As the presumptive Republican candidate, Trump has already triggered fear in Kyiv by boasting he could end the war in 24 hours and musing that he hopes it ends before he is forced to decide whether to give Ukraine to Moscow.
The mention of Manafort, oblique though it was, will only heighten concerns in Ukraine that the U.S. president still holds a grudge against a country he sees as intimately involved with delegitimizing his presidency.
From the first intimations of Russian interference in America’s 2016 presidential campaign, to an investigation by a special prosecutor, to Trump’s 2019 impeachment, all roads — it can sometimes seem — lead through Kyiv.
“Trump hates Ukraine,” said Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-American businessman who once served as a fixer in Ukraine for Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and later turned against the former president. “He and people around him believe that Ukraine was the cause of all Trump’s problems.”
Trump’s campaign office did not respond to requests for comment.
I missed this article from last month but I agree with it and also hate Ukraine and Zelenskyy for similar reasons.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:02 pm to VolSquatch
You are a Patriot 
#AmericaFirst
#AmericaFirst
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Orban doesn't like the Russians
Then he was paid to cancel oil and gas pipelines to the Adriatic as an alternative to supplied solely from Russia?
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:10 pm to VolSquatch
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Imperial Japan attacked us,
They attacked us because we sanctioned them for invading China and they thought, probably correctly, that we wouldn't stand by as they rampaged through the Southwest Pacific.
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Nazi Germany invaded several of our allies.
They weren't our allies at the time. In fact, Hitler declared war on us in a bout of hubristic solidarity with Japan in the wake of Pearl Harbor. If he hadn't done that, FDR would have had to do some fancy stepping to get us into the war in Europe.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:11 pm to VolSquatch
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"we shouldn't spend money on our own country because our government (who we elect) wastes it, and should instead send it overseas to a country most people can't find on a map" is quite the take.
We spend enough now to fix every ill we have. Spending more won’t make a difference.
Spending money as promised to grind down our enemies is a much better use.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:15 pm to doubleb
People who say we should spend the money at home generally are against social spending anyway.
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