re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Had the 9/11 terrorists (not US citizens) not been killed during their attack, I would have had no issue with them being mistreated. If that makes me primative, then so be it.

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That is where the Bill of Rights gets pesky. The word citizen doesn't appear in the Constitution until the Reconstruction Amendments specifically the 14th. It is generally held the Bill of Rights protections are predicated on personhood and jurisdiction since the Bill of Rights simply uses the word person. It would be an interesting argument if the 9/11 hijackers had been on international flights having never touched down on US soil. The lack of the word citizen or anything more specific than "people" or "person" is how you get court rulings that say illegal aliens have 2A rights because it only uses the words "the people" to define who it applies to. I don't know how many times my legal mentor said "Everyone likes the Constitution until they read and understand it."

Relevant to the thread from 93 to about 04 Russia had pretty solid human rights at least on paper. Those rights and protections have basically been eroded to nothing in the subsequent years.

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I know I'm not in alignment with the actual wording of the Bill of Rights but that doesn't change my view that it shouldn't apply to terrorists who kill Americans.

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I am in agreement. IMO the Constitution needs a wholesale rewrite. For example, the Bill of Rights should apply to citizens, and rights and protections for non-citizens should be promulgated by the legislature with multiple non-citizen classes considered. That said we are stuck with the Constitution for the foreseeable future because there is no way enough people would agree to any wording changes on any issue.

On top of it all what does Putin do well?
I'll give you he's proficient of tossing dissidents out of windows but what else?

Economy in peacetime was a joke (italy sized)
Sucks at War
Sucks at security
Sucks at dividing his neighbors

Judge him by his friends - N Korea Iran China Hamas and Trump

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On top of it all what does Putin do well?

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He is the GOAT of modern kleptocrats. The man has somewhere between Alice Walton and Jeff Bezos money while never getting officially paid more than $140k a year. He has been president or prime minister of Russia for the last 20 years so his net worth has grown somewhere between 3.5 billion a year and 10 billion a year.

Does this look like the "camp" of someone that makes $140k a year. If it was I would be with Sir Winston on the next flight to Moscow.

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A queue of thousands of railroad cars has amassed at the entrance to the Crimean Bridge, some waiting for as long as six months, the Russian state outlet Kommersant reported on March 25.

The Russian North Caucasian Railway has accumulated 2,500 loaded tankers carrying oil products due to restrictions on the passage of dangerous goods across the Crimean Bridge and the need to wait for ferries and tankers to arrive.

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Dear Ukraine,



A few of those long range drones and boom the whole place will go up. Talk about taking out Russian fuel supplies to its army.

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WTF is Ukraine waiting? A few of those long range drones and boom the whole place will go up.


Yea some of their decisions are pretty questionable

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I mean that is almost as good of a target as the 40 mile convoy at the start of the invasion. It would be one thing if they did not know about it but they freaking published it.

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I know I'm not in alignment with the actual wording of the Bill of Rights but that doesn't change my view that it shouldn't apply to terrorists who kill Americans.

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Terrorists in other countries who attack America or Americans have no protection at all. You can cut off their ears.

However, terrorists who are arrested within the American borders should be put on trial, convicted, and given the harshest sentence available in accordance with our laws. While I personally have no desire to protect or pay to incarcerate terrorists, I do believe that we should follow our own laws within our own country even if the person in the dock is a terrorist.

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ISIS has announced that it will be intensifying attacks inside russia, including potential attacks against Putin himself.

A spokesman has stated that previous attacks inside russia were protests against russian atrocities against Muslims, including a response to the russian genocide in Syria.
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However, ISIS spokesmen say that the attacks on russia will now become far more intensive as a reaction to the video recordings of intensive torture of members of their organization that russia has made and distributed widely.
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The videos being distributed by russia include ones of russians using knives to slice off body parts of people under interrogation, and of russians applying electroshock torture to the genitals of suspects.

It seems that if russia thought that these videos would serve as a 'warning' to Islamic militants, it was very much mistaken.

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Let me get this straight. ISIS has a problem its people getting tortured, but it does not have a problem with setting people on fire inside of cages or crucifying them? Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Also ISIS possibly making threats against Putin himself.

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I am 100% in support of our Bill of Rights in all circumstances for US citizens.

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As has been pointed out, the Bill of Rights never specified that they were only to apply to citizens. Indeed, the Founders believed that all humans were endowed with basic rights by their Creator -- that's in the Preamble to the Declaration. The Bill of Rights was not originally considered necessary, but was added to the Constitution to ensure that certain of these rights were spelled out.

The Founders would have been repulsed by torture, because they (even the Deist ones) believed in Divine justice. Christianity, as SirWinston can tell you, emphasizes that "'Vengeance is mine,' declares the Lord." We cannot right the wrong of a murder by torturing the murderer, so it's foolish to try. Faith means that Christians trust God to right the wrong, which only he has the ability to do.

In any case, I think we're a little off-topic now, so I think this is my last comment on the subject.