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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Where are you getting the millions of casualties for Ukraine from? If you assume a 3:1 or 4:1 wounded to killed ratio, then your best case scenario is 900k wounded, 300k dead.


So no source? You are just making up shite? That is about right.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:11 pm to
The Russians said they hit the GUR in Kiev.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:20 pm to
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This explains why Ukraine is having manpower problems though, the need for the mobilization bill, and why conscription officers are being so heavy handed.


Exactly; while Russia hadn’t had to rely on a draft, using convicts for soldiers, or hiring mercenaries.

Russians are fighting for the motherland and that’s why their all volunteer army is rolling over the Ukranians.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Alabama (Russia) is favored by 34 against UAB (Ukraine). They quickly score a as couple of TDs, but UAB makes a goal line stand, gets a pick 6 and midway through the second quarter they are down 14-10. Each team scored again, UAB on a flea flicker.

Right before half Bama scores on a long FG. It’s 17-10 at halftime, but Bama has lost a couple of starters do to injuries.

Yes, Bama is winning, but UAB is still in the game. There’s a whole half still to play and both teams are wearing down. What’s next?

The UAB team has thrown a couple of deep balls, and their D has scored. But Bama’s ground game is wearing UAB down. It doesn’t look good for UAB, but Bama is still having to fight for every yard it makes.

Brandon says let's bet the house on UAB! Your house...
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Exactly; while Russia hadn’t had to rely on a draft, using convicts for soldiers, or hiring mercenaries.



Moscow mobilized their reservists in the Fall of 22 to plug the holes in the line, their active duty army was to small for the war they found themselves fighting, it was just necessary. And they turned to other short term solutions, like Wagner which was recruiting prisoners, to get them through the winter of 22/23. But since then? Since really April of 23? It's all volunteers.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:35 pm to
And the 400,000 regular conscripts annually, many of which end up getting sent to the front lines, since although conscripts are supposed to only participate in national defense on Russian territory, since Putin says the 4 Ukrainian oblasts are Russian territory, they're there too.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:42 pm to
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Kk so let's stop with the "existential threat" talk, the hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign aid, and the "muh Putin is Hitler".

Yeah, I kind of agree with this.

Here's my proposal: don't send $ to Ukraine, but send weapons. 155mm shells, barrels, drone manufacturing equipment, etc.

And, to make up for the weapons the US sends, the US can buy replacement weapons from US manufacturers, so money stays in the US.

Also: have auditors available in theater to ensure equipment is getting to the front.

Seems fair, no?
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 1:55 pm to
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Moscow mobilized their reservists in the Fall of 22 to plug the holes in the line, their active duty army was to small for the war they found themselves fighting, it was just necessary. And they turned to other short term solutions, like Wagner which was recruiting prisoners, to get them through the winter of 22/23. But since then? Since really April of 23? It's all volunteers.


Yes, and unlike Ukraine, Russia hasn’t had to rely on foreign countries to supply them with ammo, weapons, drones, etc. They are entirely self sufficient, highly industrialized and are prospering while Ukraine collapses.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:00 pm to
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Yes, and unlike Ukraine, Russia hasn’t had to rely on foreign countries to supply them with ammo, weapons, drones, etc. They are entirely self sufficient, highly industrialized and are prospering while Ukraine collapses.




The Kremlin talking points are just so ridiculous. I love it when I have to read a post twice to figure out if it's sarcasm or not. It just enhances the absurdity of their argument.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:26 pm to
I see what you’re doing here
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 2:26 pm to
Yamal system is for natural gas, which went to Poland and Germany. It also is an NGL's (ethane, propane, butane, and condensate) pipeline where the condensate was then isomerized into isomerate, an octane enhancer for gasoline, that plant in St. Petersburg was for export and likely back in production after being hit a month or so ago. Straight run gasoline from a crude unit has a very low RON (Octane rating). Adding tetra ethyl lead was why gasoline could even be used as regular back before catalytic converters were used in cars.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:05 pm to
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Yes, and unlike Ukraine, Russia hasn’t had to rely on foreign countries to supply them with ammo, weapons, drones, etc.


US 155mm production in 2023, at most 400k, although it is climbing and we hope to increase production to 100k a month by December of 2024, or 1.2 million rounds a year.

European production grew from 300k to 400k in 2023. They would like to increase production to 1 million rounds a year by the end of the year but this is unlikely, they're not hitting their targets. And there's been substantial disagreement between members of the bloc about where and how to spend the money.

The Russians are currently producing 3 million artillery shells a year, and the DPRK, we believe, has sent 3 million artillery shells to Russia over the last few months. The DPRK manufactures 2 million round a year in peacetime, their top end production is somewhere between 4 to 6 million rounds a year. The DPRK, for the record, has an estimated GDP of 48 billion.
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:06 pm to
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The Russians said they hit the GUR in Kiev.


Well if the Russians said it then it must be true. Ask any man with a mail order bride from Russia about how Russians never lie. How are those promises of no complaining and daily sex working out for them?
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:16 pm to
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we believe, has sent 3 million artillery shells to Russia over the last few months.


Who is we comrade? The Russian sources that told you Ukraine has suffered 1-2 million KIAs, the voices in your head, or both?
This post was edited on 3/21/24 at 3:36 pm
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:17 pm to
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US 155mm production in 2023, at most 400k

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European production grew from 300k to 400k in 2023

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The Russians are currently producing 3 million artillery shells a year

Apples and oranges: 155mm AND ONLY 155mm for US/Europe, but "artillery shells" for Russia. Those numbers include 152mm, 122mm, 12.7mm, etc.

That's also assuming Russia does not exaggerate at all!
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16136 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:27 pm to
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Well if the Russians said it then it must be true. Ask any man with a mail order bride from Russia about how Russians never lie. How are those promises of no complaining and daily sex working out for them?


Two friends have Ukrainian brides and overly happy about that. One from the 1990's (he died a year ago), one from early 2000's.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:27 pm to
3 million is a Western estimate
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:28 pm to
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Yamal system is for natural gas, which went to Poland and Germany.


I meant Yaroslavi which is a town in Russia where both the Yamal gas pipeline and a oil pipeline converge. That oil pipeline system is also the main connection that Russia would need to use to import finished products from Belarus.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:29 pm to
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3 million is a Western estimate


Made by the same western experts who said Russia would conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16136 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:39 pm to
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That oil pipeline system is also the main connection that Russia would need to use to import finished products from Belarus.


Only if it is set up as a two way pipeline. It took two years to reverse Capline (1.2 million BPD) from IL to St. James, LA and it was reversed to be under 50% of its former capacity.
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