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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:01 pm to tigeraddict
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:01 pm to tigeraddict
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without a NATO membership, russia is free to attack Ukraine again down the road
NATO prevents father attacks
Then why don't we just defend them now?
No one can/will answer this.
If they are important enough to let in the alliance, where we will defend them should they be invaded, why don't we have boots on the ground now? And how can you NOT support boots on the ground right now? We should have soldiers over there in direct combat yesterday by this logic.
"Well sorry Ukraine, we have to wait for the ink to dry before we can defend you".
I guess we will just defend a pile of rubble in 20 years if Ukraine manages to hold on?
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:27 pm to RuLSU
Russia has a great location to be the commercial gateway between east and west, but Putin wants to be Peter The Great's second coming. That's delusional, arrogant and foolish all rolled up into one.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:46 pm to VolSquatch
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The US couldn't tolerate a foreign power interfering with a 2nd or 3rd world country essentially on your border? What situation does that sound like?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:55 pm to Auburn1968
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Russia has a great location to be the commercial gateway between east and west, but Putin wants to be Peter The Great's second coming. That's delusional, arrogant and foolish all rolled up into one.
The problem for the rest of the world is Putin is getting old and realizes that being the best kleptocrat in the last 100 years isn't much of a legacy and he can't take his stolen trillions of rubles with him.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:56 pm to VolSquatch
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Then why don't we just defend them now?
We as well as others are doing so indirectly. Ukraine doesn't have a treaty with any of the nations of the west.
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No one can/will answer this.
Surely someone can; they just haven't, at least not directly to you. As for will, that's up to the individual. I'm attempting it, if that helps you.
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If they are important enough to let in the alliance, where we will defend them should they be invaded, why don't we have boots on the ground now? And how can you NOT support boots on the ground right now? We should have soldiers over there in direct combat yesterday by this logic.
That's not how it works. NATO won't go to war over a country that intends to join NATO. Any single country choosing to openly fight with Ukraine will be openly at war with Russia. The difference between direct and indirect support is substantial. Russia knows the West is aiding Ukraine, but that hasn't led them to declare war on the West. Wars need blood and treasure. The West is providing the treasure; Ukraine the blood. Russia is hoping to exhaust those to the point of settlement in their favor (I think).
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"Well sorry Ukraine, we have to wait for the ink to dry before we can defend you".
That's one way to put it; also, that's pretty much it other than indirect military aid.
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I guess we will just defend a pile of rubble in 20 years if Ukraine manages to hold on?
18 years more to go. A lot can happen between now and then. A lot can happen in just a year. No need for anyone to careen off the edge just yet.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:12 pm to riverdiver
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CIA and MIC are most certainly involved from day 1. Denying that reality is silly. Just keep edging us closer to nuclear war, you ok with that?
Such claims make you in line with far leftists.
Obama gutted the MIC. Try harder next time or perform some actual thinking instead of parroting internet dolts.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:19 pm to VolSquatch
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The US couldn't tolerate a foreign power interfering with a 2nd or 3rd world country essentially on your border? What situation does that sound like?
Wrong
The US couldn’t tolerate offensive missiles and nukes in Cuba. Russian troops never left; nor did the Russians quit building up the Cuban military.
Now if the US sent troops, missiles, and nukes to Ukraine then it would be similar.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:45 pm to doubleb
Russia is leveling its own towns now. So that goes to show you just how much they give a shite about their own people, much less anyone else. They have completely wiped Kozinka in Belgorod off the map using FAB-500 air dropped 1,000 lb. bombs. Great people those Russians. What you got to say about that Lima?
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Spain is sending 19 Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine. Honestly I do t think sending tanks is useful right now but Ukraine won’t turn them down. They will need repairs first though. Spain is shite at maintaining their equipment. Once they are ready for delivery though that will go a long way to replacing the Leopards already lost on the battlefield.
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Spain is sending 19 Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine. Honestly I do t think sending tanks is useful right now but Ukraine won’t turn them down. They will need repairs first though. Spain is shite at maintaining their equipment. Once they are ready for delivery though that will go a long way to replacing the Leopards already lost on the battlefield.
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This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:10 pm to doubleb
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If Ukraine had that many dead so would Russia, and I don’t believe they do although I believe Russia bring the invader had more.
Someone linked an article, in this thread, stating Russia had over an over 500k increase in disabled people mostly due to war injuries. The Ukrainian government has stated an increase of 300k but used the initial number of 2.7 million of disabled from a pre war census. If you take into consideration that a number of the 6+ million who have fled Ukraine were disabled then you can easily get to 500k newly disabled for Ukraine as well.
I can see both sides losing the same number of troops at this point.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:11 pm to doubleb
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Now if the US sent troops, missiles, and nukes to Ukraine then it would be similar
If this war has taught me anything its that a lot of people on the poli board would support a full invasion and occupation of either Canada or Mexico if they brought up the idea of forming a defensive alliance with Russia or China. I mean if Ukraine bringing it up is enough justification for Russia to invade Ukraine and it be the US' fault, surely the same is true in reverse.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:08 pm to Obtuse1
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The problem for the rest of the world is Putin is getting old and realizes that being the best kleptocrat in the last 100 years isn't much of a legacy and he can't take his stolen trillions of rubles with him.
None of his lackeys will present opposing arguments to his ideas as well.
21st Century Schizoid Man
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:13 pm to DakIsNoLB
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"Well sorry Ukraine, we have to wait for the ink to dry before we can defend you".
That's one way to put it; also, that's pretty much it other than indirect military aid.
Thats not "a way to put it", thats exactly whats happening.
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We as well as others are doing so indirectly.
And how is that going?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:14 pm to doubleb
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troops, missiles, and nukes to Ukraine
2 for 3 so far
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:17 pm to riverdiver
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No matter what happens, win or lose, Ukraine is going to lose territory.
This whole deal results from the CIA and others wanting to push buttons in Russia, and possibly get regime change.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to be a member of NATO, just like we didn’t want Russian missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China wanted to build military bases on the Mexican border we’d likewise be pissed.
Time to stop the killing, time to stop wasting money
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:24 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I think General Andrzejczak is talking about casualties, and that the total has passed a million.
If Ukraine has passed a million then how many has Russia passed?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:31 pm to WeeWee
To those wondering how we would defend against Russian missiles? Have yall forgotten about the THAADs we have deployed in strategic locations around the globe? Also have yall forgotten that the Patriot missiles in Ukraine have already proven that they can intercept hypersonic missiles? Also if the Brits are making their new laser public just imagine what they are the rest of NATO aren’t making public.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:53 pm to VolSquatch
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troops, missiles, and nukes to Ukraine 2 for 3 so far
AFTER Russian ratcheted up the war and launched a major invasion.
I guarantee you that if The situation was reversed in Cuba and Cuba had attacked us first, we would have stomped their asses back to the Stone Age.
But they weren’t stupid and eventually Russia removed their offensive missiles and their nukes. We never forced them to leave or take out their defensive missiles.
The two situations aren’t the same.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:54 pm to StormyMcMan
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If this war has taught me anything its that a lot of people on the poli board would support a full invasion and occupation of either Canada or Mexico if they brought up the idea of forming a defensive alliance with Russia or China. I mean if Ukraine bringing it up is enough justification for Russia to invade Ukraine and it be the US' fault, surely the same is true in reverse.
Exactly. Cuba allied with Russia, but we didn’t invade Cuba.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:10 pm to WeeWee
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To those wondering how we would defend against Russian missiles? Have yall forgotten about the THAADs we have deployed in strategic locations around the globe? Also have yall forgotten that the Patriot missiles in Ukraine have already proven that they can intercept hypersonic missiles? Also if the Brits are making their new laser public just imagine what they are the rest of NATO aren’t making public.
I wonder if making it possible to shoot down nuclear missiles makes it more likely or less likely they could be used?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:14 pm to StormyMcMan
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If this war has taught me anything its that a lot of people on the poli board would support a full invasion and occupation of either Canada or Mexico if they brought up the idea of forming a defensive alliance with Russia or China.
I'd support an invasion of Canada without it. Canada is being run into the ground (even worse than we are). At least half their citizens would welcome it and the other half wouldn't be willing to fight over it. Access to nearly unlimited resources would be the biggest appeal.
We've been invaded by Mexico already
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