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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/16/24 at 11:57 am to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 11:57 am to
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Every last bit of Biden's concern about "escalation" has only encouraged Putin to do exactly that. We demonstrated weakness, and Russia seized on that.



Bingo. Macron has come to realize that Russia only recognizes and responded to strength. If it sees or even thinks it sees weakness will attempt to exploit it to its advantage. I wish Scholz and Biden would realize that too.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:16 pm to
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Bingo. Macron has come to realize that Russia only recognizes and responded to strength.


This isn’t a new concept!

Reagan wrote the playbook on how to deal with the Russians. And yet we are only now “rediscovering” it.

I fault the US, France, and Germany bc Poland has been screaming for us to “get tougher” from the beginning
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:25 pm to



This is so concerning. Everyone knows that electronic voting systems can be hacked! What if the vote totals are manipulated? Isn't anyone concerned about the integrity of the voting system? Isn't Putin worried about what would happen if people lost faith in the legitimacy of Russian elections?
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:31 pm to
Uk and Poland seem to have it figured out. France, based on recent talk, is moving in the right direction. But Germany is always about Germany and Russia has bought a number of German politicians.
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:33 pm to
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This is so concerning. Everyone knows that electronic voting systems can be hacked! What if the vote totals are manipulated? Isn't anyone concerned about the integrity of the voting system? Isn't Putin worried about what would happen if people lost faith in the legitimacy of Russian elections?


nice
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45711 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:37 pm to
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This is so concerning. Everyone knows that electronic voting systems can be hacked! What if the vote totals are manipulated? Isn't anyone concerned about the integrity of the voting system? Isn't Putin worried about what would happen if people lost faith in the legitimacy of Russian elections?



Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:46 pm to
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Russia Lost 12% of Its Oil Refinery Capacity in a Day: What’s the Impact?


Is this actually the case? This seems more like shooting from the hip without any facts.

If a refinery loses a small cat cracker, like recently, that particular refinery would have lost MAYBE 10% of its gasoline production. Most Russian refineries don't have alkyation units to utilizes the isobutane and/or isopentane produced as byproducts of the process to then further make alkylates used to increase the octane in gasoline. It is doubtful that any have a butamer unit to convert nButane into isoButane to convert in the butamer process.

Then most refineries, especially in Russia have increased throughput incrementally over the years thus have more than one crude unit. The one with the cat cracker explosion had 3 crude units so 2 were up and running a day later.

Additionally, refinery throughput must have already been at far less than nameplate capacity due exports of diesel were already down. You don't decrease diesel output without impact to gasoline production unless you are just spilling the gasoline onto the ground like pre automobile refineries spilled it without any markets for it. Then there is kerosene, aka jet fuel, which can be blended into the diesel products but not so much vice versa.

What many Russian refineries have are isomeration units which take low octane rating condensation, aka natural gasoline, to produce isomerate which is blended with gasoline.

Of significance is the high percentage of vehicles in Europe, Russia and Central Asia which require what we call here, premium gasoline. Naphtha reformers are used to produce 97 octane gasoline.

All of this being said, it appears that at least 5% of gasoline production may have been lost over the last week, and it may have already been reduced due lower than average refinery throughput. Here in the US if a refinery is operating at say 70% capacity, it is losing its arse bigtime so is shutdown completely.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:49 pm to
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This is so concerning. Everyone knows that electronic voting systems can be hacked! What if the vote totals are manipulated? Isn't anyone concerned about the integrity of the voting system? Isn't Putin worried about what would happen if people lost faith in the legitimacy of Russian elections?


Good one, Politards are now sweating this one out. Their hero validates not just electronic voting but voting from one's own computer terminal over the internet.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:51 pm to
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Is this actually the case?


The refineries that were hit account for 10-12% of Russia’s refinery output. All of those facilities are currently offline for damage control, assessment, and repairs. So yea it’s accurate for now. How long it stays accurate is TBD.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:04 pm to
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Good one, Politards are now sweating this one out. Their hero validates not just electronic voting but voting from one's own computer terminal over the internet.



In addition, it should be noted how pathetic it is that Putin is so afraid of being around other people that he couldn't even do the normal thing and show up to a voting place, shake a couple of hands, and wave to the video cameras.

Is he still that afraid of COVID, or of assassination? (I think the answer is "Yes.")
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:08 pm to
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All of those facilities are currently offline for damage control, assessment, and repairs.


Not true, the one with the cat cracker is back at 2/3 throughput. The units hit are possibly being partially repaired.

Edit - Also those not struck and were running at lower capacity due lack of export for diesel can be brought to full capacity.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45711 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Not true, the one with the cat cracker is back at 2/3 throughput. The units hit are possibly being partially repaired.



Source?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45711 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

This is so concerning. Everyone knows that electronic voting systems can be hacked! What if the vote totals are manipulated? Isn't anyone concerned about the integrity of the voting system? Isn't Putin worried about what would happen if people lost faith in the legitimacy of Russian elections?


Good one, Politards are now sweating this one out. Their hero validates not just electronic voting but voting from one's own computer terminal over the internet.



Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8660 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:16 pm to
This is why Ukraine needs to do a mass simultaneous strike at every refinery that their drones can reach. I don’t know how many of these drones they can build a month, I assume it’s the beaver model drone that is being used but I would try to gather a couple hundred of them and send them all at once. This could make Russia pull air defense systems from the front or Crimea to protect these refineries just as the F-16s start coming in.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16113 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:18 pm to
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Source?


I'll have to go look for it again, that was a few days ago.

One must assume that the reason for banning exports for 6 months was due overall refining throughput was down due lack of demand for other refined products to begin with. They can be brought to speed but space is needed to store the over produced other products, especially diesel and vacuum gas oil (an intermediate product imported mostly by Europe) which is used downstream in cat crackers, and hydrocrackers.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:08 pm to
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I don’t know how many of these drones they can build a month, I assume it’s the beaver model drone that is being used

My take is that neither the number or model is static. Both are changing rapidly.

Two years ago when the invasion started Ukraine did not have this capability.

One year ago we saw a few ineffectual long range strikes.

This year they are demonstrating much improved production and effectiveness.

My "by this time next year" prediction, based on extrapolation of demonstrated progress over the past 2 years. Increased production. New models with increases in range, payload, and targeting capabilities.


This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16113 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:25 pm to
WeeWee,
I have a list of Russian refineries and which downstream processes included. It may have say 100,000 BPD of crude unit which may be two or even 4 separate crude units. The names of the locations sometimes slightly different than reports of being targeted. Sort of any list of two refineries listed as being in Lake Charles. One is in Westlake and the other actually in Carlyss. So, a report on Twatter would say Carlyss and everyone not from the area would think, Where the F is that?
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:30 pm to
Russian fashion week may as well be Milk Cow Fashion Week, most fashion models have fled Russia.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:31 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:35 pm to
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How many times has a NATO country attacked a non NATO one?


The fact you think this is remotely a “point” tells me you’re a moron
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