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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:46 am to sta4ever
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:46 am to sta4ever
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think we need to have real conversations about how we move on from here with Russian control of around 20% of Ukraine. Ukraine is just not gonna be capable of taking that land back right now IMO and Russia ain’t gonna stop until Ukraine comes to the table in some sort of way.
Great post, amigo
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:46 am to WestCoastAg
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I just think claiming our coup as some casus belli for Russia is funny cause they were doing the exact same thing at the exact same time
I don't think people are saying it is a casus belli, but the war doesn't happen had we not done it.
The other question in regards to the situation is "Would Ukraine be better off had we not done the coup?", and from there "Why does/should the US care either way?".
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:49 am to VolSquatch
quote:well they'd be an actual honest to Christ Russian puppet state on the level of Belarus so probably not
The other question in regards to the situation is "Would Ukraine be better off had we not done the coup?",
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:50 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:rain is a little wet
Russia has problems with corruption
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:51 am to VolSquatch
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"Why does/should the US care either way?".
Because of our global Karenism.
Bureaucrats need something to do and build careers.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:53 am to WestCoastAg
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well they'd be an actual honest to Christ Russian puppet state on the level of Belarus so probably not
What do you think they will be by the end of this war then?
Half of the country destroyed, even outside of the thousands killed a lot of those who left when the war started won't come back once its over. I think at minimum they lose the territories in the east in an eventual peace deal.
I guess a better question would have been "Would the Ukrainian PEOPLE be better off had the US not done the coup?" and its becoming increasingly harder to say no by the day.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:55 am to VolSquatch
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I don't think people are saying it is a casus belli, but the war doesn't happen had we not done it.
I believe Putin was going to go after Crimea once his guy was removed from office. The coup sped things up.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:55 am to VolSquatch
quote:an independent nation ruled by its own choices and decisions?
What do you think they will be by the end of this war then
quote:well, considering they'd be living in a puppet state on the level of Belarus, probably not
Would the Ukrainian PEOPLE be better off had the US not done the coup?"
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:57 am to ticklechain
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So tell me O great soccerboi, how shall I improve my "vetting skill"? What crystal ball do you use? I tend to just read here and there, and when I see something claimed on numerous sites for days and days, usually it's true. What super duper sites are chads like you using to power your superior intellect. I'm guessing reddit.
I have the same problem that you have.
Unlike most of the guys on the PT board who can ascertain which sources are legit, which articles are factual, and which polls are correct immediately; I get fooled s as ll the time.
It’s a gift.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:00 am to doubleb
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The guy was effectively “impeached” by the Ukrainian Congress and he fled to Russia.
Was it all perfectly by the book so to speak? I doubt it, but I believe the Ukrainians as a whole wanted to get away from Russia.
Non-Russian Ukrainians have a great deal of historically based animosity toward Moscow. Like Eastern Europe, they don't ever want to have to be under Moscow's thumb ever again.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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Russia has problems with corruption, but the rule of law is much weaker in Ukraine. Ukraine is run by a number of oligarchs who do mixed business in legal and and illegal trades. Danilov is one of the most striking examples of that class of people, he’s a mobster.
Try googling Russian oligarths for 100.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:07 am to Bunk Moreland
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Imagine if Russia or China was meddling in Mexico like that.
Sure, Mexico decides they want to join a trade alliance with China and Russia, or BRICs to simplify.
(Trade alliance does not preclude Mexico from trading with the US, BTW, it just means Mexico will focus more on BRICs)
... nothing changes, no invasion. Businesses in the US would wait to see how Mexico develops - richer or poorer - and then adjust their product/marketing strategy mix as a result.
Russia didn't invade in 2014 because of some US boogie man. Russia invaded because Ukraine wanted to join the EU. Once Ukraine joins the EU, the average Ukrainian will be richer than the average Russian within 3-5 years, and that's what Putin is really afraid of.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:09 am to RuLSU
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Sure, Mexico decides they want to join a trade alliance with China and Russia, or BRICs to simplify.
(Trade alliance does not preclude Mexico from trading with the US, BTW, it just means Mexico will focus more on BRICs)
... nothing changes, no invasion. Businesses in the US would wait to see how Mexico develops - richer or poorer - and then adjust their product/marketing strategy mix as a result.
Russia didn't invade in 2014 because of some US boogie man. Russia invaded because Ukraine wanted to join the EU. Once Ukraine joins the EU, the average Ukrainian will be richer than the average Russian within 3-5 years, and that's what Putin is really afraid of.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:10 am to WestCoastAg
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on the level of Belarus,
Funny you keep saying that since Ukraine and Belarus weren't drastically different by any QoL measures. They have been "on the level of Belarus" for a while now.
But I guess sending hordes of your own population to die over control of at least partially ethnically Russian areas increase in order to increase Raytheon profits on behalf of the US government sounds like a fairly sweet gig to some.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:11 am to VolSquatch
quote:you forgot about the nazi salt mine bio labs
sending hordes of your own population to die over control of at least partially ethnically Russian areas increase in order to increase Raytheon profits on behalf of the US government
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:14 am to sta4ever
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Where do we go from here?
I’ve been an avid Ukraine supporter in this conflict since the beginning, really since 2013, but I think we need to have real conversations about how we move on from here with Russian control of around 20% of Ukraine. Ukraine is just not gonna be capable of taking that land back right now IMO and Russia ain’t gonna stop until Ukraine comes to the table in some sort of way.
Ukraine is not capable of an offensive in 2024 that will retake substantial territory. That's because last year's offensive used up the artillery shells in the West. It will take until 2025 before another such offensive is possible.
Until then, Ukraine needs to fight a war of attrition while increasing strategic control of the air and the sea.
F-16s this summer will help a lot, as will Ukraine's dynamic drone industry, which is running circles around Russia's right now in terms of development.
Russia is going to go broke eventually. They cannot keep this up indefinitely. The West, on the other hand, CAN afford to continue to support Ukraine. The economics of the long war do not work for Russia, unless the West quits supporting Ukraine.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:15 am to RuLSU
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a trade alliance
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meddling
I don't think we invade Mexico even in an actually comparable case to what we are doing in Ukraine, but at least use a 1:1 comparison.
Mexico was also never part of the US. There aren't ethnically American areas in Mexico. Mexico doesn't control a key water access point for the US. The context is vastly different.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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The West, on the other hand, CAN afford to continue to support Ukraine.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:21 am to Bunk Moreland
Obama's CIA and color revolutions
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:25 am to VolSquatch
Yeah I don't understand that either. If people haven't checked, we're pretty broke. Just because we're the broke people in a mobile home, not a homeless shelter, I guess that makes us flush with cash.
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