re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Putin will never accept any peace that allows Ukraine to have a decent military much less a deal with security gurantees. Yes That deal was the best one they could have gotten though. The final settlement they get now will be worse.

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How will it be worse? Ukraine has liberated 53% of the territory that it would have turned over to Russia in that deal. In that deal, Kyiv and Kharkiv would have been within artillery range of the new border. The Russians would have been given a straight shot at Odessa. Now that is no longer the case. The Russians have been pushed out of Kharkiv and Kyiv oblasts and the Ukrainian have pushed Russia back across the Dnieper. Russia has proven that it cannot conduct amphibious missions so Odessa is no longer threatened. So please tell me how a peace made this year or next year will be worse than the proposed one in 2022? Do you think that the eastern front will collapse any day like stidham did? Are you still stupid enough to believe that the Russians can take Odessa whenever they decide to?

ETA: 53% not 63%. I remain the undisputed typo king of the world.

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Johnson has not yet taken a position on the plan Disappointing.

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Not really. Never take a position until the negotiations are done. We all know how politicians of all parties like to stick hidden shite into bills.

Medvedev is most likely going to be the main guy when Putin passes away, so NATO hoping to just ‘wait it out’ on Putin won’t work either.

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It is a great day for our nation and we pray for a speedy path to peace in Russia / Ukraine and an end to unnecessary Christian lads dying to feed the US MIC.

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The US MIC is not the one who is responsible for this mess. Your man crush Putin is the one who is responsible for this war. The blood of those Christian lads is on his hands and the hands of the morons who support him like you.

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Putin will never accept any peace that allows Ukraine to have a decent military much less a deal with security gurantees. quote:That deal was the best one they could have gotten though. The final settlement they get now will be worse. This is what I was talking about the other day in my 4 or 5 part long post

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Have you seen the details of the proposed treaty?

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The draft treaty states that Ukraine, while being allowed to pursue EU membership, wouldn’t be allowed to join military alliances such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. No foreign weapons would be allowed on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine’s military would be pared down to a specific size. Russia sought to limit everything from the number of troops and tanks to the maximum firing range of Ukrainian missiles.

The Crimean Peninsula, already occupied by Russia, would remain under Moscow’s influence and not be considered neutral. Moscow also pushed for the Russian language to operate on an equal basis with Ukrainian in government and courts,

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WSJ

That is a terrible deal for Ukraine. Zelensky would have been hung in the streets and rightfully so if he had signed it.

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The objective truth is it’s obvious Ukraine can no longer achieve its goals by means of armed resistance. They are getting a little weaker every day while Russia is getting stronger.

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WTF are you talking? The current situation is not going to last. The situation might turn into Russia’s favor, but I doubt it because Russia has proven time and time again that it cannot exploit its victories with rapid or even slow sustained advances. The situation could also turn in Ukraine’s favor. The USA and the EU are increasing their shell production each month. Ukraine is also increasing its own production of shells. Ukraine’s air force will have 61 F16s and undisclosed number of Gripens from Sweden by the end of the year. Ukraine is churning out naval drones like crazy.

Maybe if you stopped thinking that your neutral experts who you use for the basis of your argument are actually neutral you would see that the situation is not in Ukraine’s favor at the present but it has changed several times in the last 2 years and is likely to change again multiple times.

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if the Western countries actually want to help Ukraine, they should put their efforts into finding a way to broker peace.

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You can’t make peace without both parties willing to work towards it. Look at Mevedev’s statement. It’s clear that Putin doesn’t want to make peace based on the current situation. The only way to make Russia want to work towards peace is to embarrass Russia on the battlefield. The way to do that is to continue to build up Ukraine’s military capabilities. Ukraine has asked for additional western MBTs, fighter jets, helicopters, and assistance building drones and the land attack version of the Neptune cruise missile. The US has hundreds of retired Bradley’s waiting to disposed of, around 150 M1A1s recently retired from the USMC and these don’t have the depleted uranium armor so they can be easily exported. Australia has another 50 M1A1s that could be exported. The USMC recently retired over 250 SupraCobras and twin Hueys helicopters which could fulfill Ukraine’s requirements without weakening the USA a bit. The USA could supply Ukraine with all the artillery shells it needs if we shipped the ammunition that is supposed to be disposed of because it is too old. Ukraine has said many times that it will gladly accept expired shells. Ukraine can’t regain its territory right now but if the west gave it what it asked for in a timely manner and continued to train Ukrainian troops especially sappers they could have the capability to take some of it back by the summer of 2025 or spring 2026.

ETA: The west could also tell Russia that since radiation would affect NATO countries if Russia used nukes in Ukraine they would consider it as attack upon NATO and invoke Article 5. That would allow Ukraine to attack the Crimea Bridge or using its connections with the opposition in Belarus to revolt against Luchashenko without having to worry about Russia dropping nukes on Ukraine.

And it just makes you smile thinking of a reunited Ukraine with Russia doesn’t it? You’re a true piece of shite honestly. I don’t care if you’re a Russian troll or an American one, you support Putin which makes you somewhere between a cockroach and the nasty taste in your mouth when you wake up in the morning. Congrats! Please do go sign up for Russia though, i’m sure you’ll make all the difference!

Putin was a horrible leader in peacetime
Totally inept as a warlord and much harder now for him
to take 10 percent off the top.
Klepto Vlad

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It is a great day for our nation and we pray for a speedy path to peace in Russia / Ukraine and an end to unnecessary Christian lads dying to feed the US MIC.

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Quick reminder: if Vladimir Putin leaves Ukraine, the young men will stop dying in warfare.

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As soon as Congress passes new aid, Ukraine will get long-range ATACMS, which will completely change the strategic calculus in Crimea.

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One weapon system is not going to change the strategic situation in Ukraine. Training and building the Ukrainian forces will. Ukraine needs ammunition and weapons to hold the line for a year. It needs time to train Sappers because even if the Russian supply routes are weakened Ukraine is going to need lots of sappers to get through the Russian defenses. Personally I think Ukraine should attack behind Russian lines by going through the Belgorod oblast. The main highways are within a days advance of the Ukrainian border. However, the west won’t give the Ukrainians clearance because they are scared of provoking Russia. WTF is Russia going to do? Invade Ukraine?