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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:54 am to doubleb
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:54 am to doubleb
quote:Apparently Potatobrain & Co thought there were many other options when the WH told Austin to "tone it down" in response to those comments. You know that as well.
What else could they say?
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:02 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
This war was completely avoidable. The party in this conflict that actually sought diplomacy repeatedly was Russia.
Couldn’t you have said the same thing about the Japanese pre WWII? What about Hitler pre WWII?
Seeking diplomacy to buy time or to camaflouge your intentions is quite common.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:09 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Apparently Potatobrain & Co thought there were many other options when the WH told Austin to "tone it down" in response to those comments. You know that as well.
You mean they could have hurt poor old Vlad’s feelings and prolonged the war?
Oh the shame.
Options? We had three; to stay out, to aid Ukraine, or to send troops. We chose the middle although we should have done more sooner.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:49 pm to doubleb
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Couldn’t you have said the same thing about the Japanese pre WWII? What about Hitler pre WWII?
OMFG you guys are just insufferable with these absurd comparisons to WWII.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:01 pm to SirWinston
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OMFG you guys are just insufferable with these absurd comparisons to WWII.
They are insane. The love this war and want it to be 1939 again so badly.
They fake cry about how we must stop the Russians but they would literally orgasm if this war went to Poland and beyond. They would be giddy.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:11 pm to SirWinston
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OMFG you guys are just insufferable with these absurd comparisons to WWII.
I’m right don’t you know.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 3:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Murz committed suicide. LINK
Like Girkin, Murz wanted Russia to win, but he also wanted the Russian public to know the truth. Unfortunately for him, telling the truth is strictly forbidden in Russia.
Girkin and Murz were the best doomers on telegram.
Without them, we'll have a lot less context on "Russian news."
Posted on 2/21/24 at 3:51 pm to RuLSU
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Without them, we'll have a lot less context on "Russian news."
Just check in on the PT board.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:10 pm to doubleb
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Just check in on the PT board.
Hard pass, I'm far too busy fantasizing about WWIII over here. To review: PT friends arrived to assure us that Ukraine lost (again) that the war was hopeless (again) and that this war is senseless (again) without blaming Russia for invading.
Oh, and for those who don't know: the Russian "peace deal" required Ukraine to drop attempts to join the EU. Ukraine's constitution requires EU membership, so they'd basically be in violation of their constitution if they agreed to peace with Russia.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 4:25 pm to RuLSU
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Ukraine's constitution requires EU membership
Which forces Russia's hand to press on. Putin would sooner deploy his nuclear arsenal than allow this to happen.
This is not advocacy for Russia or for Putin. It's a simple fact.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 5:05 pm to SirWinston
Bloomberg: Seizure of frozen Russian assets legal, experts say
by Elsa Court and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 21, 2024 11:34 PM
A letter signed by international legal experts argues that the seizure of frozen Russian central bank assets to aid Ukraine would be lawful given Russia's "ongoing breach of the most fundamental rules of international law," Bloomberg reported on Feb. 21.
Western countries and other partners immobilized around $300 billion of the Russian Central Bank's assets at the start of the full-scale invasion. According to the World Bank, the estimated cost of Ukraine's post-war recovery and reconstruction has risen to $486 billion.
Washington, Brussels, and Kyiv have discussed legal ways of channeling these funds to aid Ukraine's reconstruction efforts but have yet to come to a definitive conclusion.
The letter, which was circulated to Group of 7 (G7) capitals and obtained by Bloomberg, was signed by 10 legal experts from the U.S., the U.K., Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, and the Netherlands.
by Elsa Court and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 21, 2024 11:34 PM
A letter signed by international legal experts argues that the seizure of frozen Russian central bank assets to aid Ukraine would be lawful given Russia's "ongoing breach of the most fundamental rules of international law," Bloomberg reported on Feb. 21.
Western countries and other partners immobilized around $300 billion of the Russian Central Bank's assets at the start of the full-scale invasion. According to the World Bank, the estimated cost of Ukraine's post-war recovery and reconstruction has risen to $486 billion.
Washington, Brussels, and Kyiv have discussed legal ways of channeling these funds to aid Ukraine's reconstruction efforts but have yet to come to a definitive conclusion.
The letter, which was circulated to Group of 7 (G7) capitals and obtained by Bloomberg, was signed by 10 legal experts from the U.S., the U.K., Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, and the Netherlands.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:03 pm to cypher
Well seizing the assets of a sovereign country is one way to get your global warming. Go ahead, lets see what happens.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:22 pm to SirWinston
quote:
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Ukraine's constitution requires EU membership
Which forcquotees Russia's hand to press on. Putin would sooner deploy his nuclear arsenal than allow this to happen.
This is not advocacy for Russia or for Putin. It's a simple fact.
Exactly.
By the way what does Iran's constitution say, should we abide by that as well.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:30 pm to trinidadtiger
I hear the new sanctions will target India and China, the companies that buy oil from Russia. These are state owned or closely held companies to their govts.
So you are going to try and force them to pay higher prices for oil for their citizens to survive in the poor regions of their countries.
Does this make sense, punish people who have nothing to do with this conflict so you can launder money.
And as an aside, have they given any consideration to what this would do to energy prices in the West?
If they cant launder their money they will punish the US will millions of illegals pillaging the country, force the rest of the world to suffer, and cause the deaths of 1000s on both sides in this conflict.
And some of you cheer this on. Disgraceful, just disgraceful.
So you are going to try and force them to pay higher prices for oil for their citizens to survive in the poor regions of their countries.
Does this make sense, punish people who have nothing to do with this conflict so you can launder money.
And as an aside, have they given any consideration to what this would do to energy prices in the West?
If they cant launder their money they will punish the US will millions of illegals pillaging the country, force the rest of the world to suffer, and cause the deaths of 1000s on both sides in this conflict.
And some of you cheer this on. Disgraceful, just disgraceful.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:42 pm to doubleb
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You mean they could have hurt poor old Vlad’s feelings and prolonged the war?
You think I claim to speak for Potatobrain? I don't. If you have questions as to WTF he meant, ask him.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:48 pm to doubleb
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Options? We had three; to stay out, to aid Ukraine, or to send troops. We chose the middle although we should have done more sooner.
We had the option not to expand NATO. We had the option to extend a Marshall plan to Yeltsin's democratized Russia. We had the option to walk back NATO to Ukraine/Georgia. We had the option to not illegally overthrow a Ukrainian government in 2014. We had FAR more than "three options."
Posted on 2/21/24 at 7:25 pm to NC_Tigah
Teheran sends hundreds of ballistic missiles to Russia
February 21, 2024, 10:27 AM
Iran has provided Russia with around 400 powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, Reuters reported on Feb. 21, citing six sources.
The provision includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles).
The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalized in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow.
An Iranian military official said that there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details.
The New Voice of Ukraine
February 21, 2024, 10:27 AM
Iran has provided Russia with around 400 powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, Reuters reported on Feb. 21, citing six sources.
The provision includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles).
The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalized in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow.
An Iranian military official said that there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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We had the option not to expand NATO. We had the option to extend a Marshall plan to Yeltsin's democratized Russia. We had the option to walk back NATO to Ukraine/Georgia. We had the option to not illegally overthrow a Ukrainian government in 2014. We had FAR more than "three options."
1. NATO's option for the first.
2. We paid for rehab of their existing shitty oil and gas wells via World Bank as well as expanding it and allowed Western technology to be used instead of 100 year old Soviet technology.
3. Citizens demonstrated when their then crawfished on what the overwhelming public supported and legislation voted for, application to join the EU. He ran away to Papa Putin when they kept demonstrating at Maidan while imported Russian snipers were shooting them down.
Every single one of your points is made by the Kremlin and parroted by Far Leftist for a decade, the regurgitated by useful idiots.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:29 pm to cypher
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Prominent independent Russian milblogger Andrei Morozov reportedly committed suicide on February 21 after refusing the Russian military command’s orders to delete his reports about high Russian casualty rates around Avdiivka.
A Ukrainian official denied a recent New York Times (NYT) report that Russian forces may have captured “hundreds” of Ukrainian soldiers during Ukraine’s withdrawal from Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast.
Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov claimed that Russian forces seized Avdiivka within a “fairly short time.”
A Ukrainian HIMARS strike against an undefended Russian training ground near occupied Volnovakha, Donetsk Oblast likely inflicted significant casualties, triggering a point of neuralgia for the Russian ultranationalist milblogger community.
Zaporizhia Oblast occupation governor Yevgeny Balitsky openly admitted that Russian authorities are forcibly deporting Ukrainian citizens who oppose Russia’s invasion of Ukraine or “insult” Russia and possibly alluded to Russian occupation forces’ summarily executing Ukrainian citizens.
Iranian sources told Reuters on February 21 that Iran provided hundreds of short-range ballistic missiles (SRBM) to Russia in early January.
Russian authorities detained a dual US-Russian citizen in Yekaterinburg on suspicion of raising money for the Ukrainian war effort.
Russian forces made confirmed advances near Avdiivka, Donetsk City, Robotyne, and Krynky.
Belarusian and Kazakh companies are reportedly helping Russia circumvent international sanctions intended to deprive the Russian defense industrial base (DIB) of Western components and machines.
Russian occupation administrations continue to foster patronage networks with Russian federal subjects.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:39 pm to StormyMcMan
None of that sounds like good news. We are going to frick around and allow the Iranian Russian Chinese mfers to win big here and likely set the stage for a real time WW3.
I hope all the Trump dick suckers will be happy. Maybe their kids will get to be the first to die
I hope all the Trump dick suckers will be happy. Maybe their kids will get to be the first to die
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