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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/17/24 at 10:58 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 2/17/24 at 10:58 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I love how the Slava Ukraine!!! fanboys just ignore the fact that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union - a country literally twice the size of present day Russia - for 75 years and not only did it not affect America negatively; the US prospered. But, yet, we are to believe unless we empty our coffers we will be under the bootheel of Putin.
The fanboys can’t have it both ways. For two years now the have gleefully regaled us with every Russian misstep and setback. In the next minute, they are gravely warning us that Russia is ready to gobble up the entire European continent. So, which is it? Are they the comically inept frickups they have plainly demonstrated themselves to be? Or are they this martial juggernaut despite being literally half the size before the Iron Curtain fell and with a crumbling economy?
Show your work.
The fanboys can’t have it both ways. For two years now the have gleefully regaled us with every Russian misstep and setback. In the next minute, they are gravely warning us that Russia is ready to gobble up the entire European continent. So, which is it? Are they the comically inept frickups they have plainly demonstrated themselves to be? Or are they this martial juggernaut despite being literally half the size before the Iron Curtain fell and with a crumbling economy?
Show your work.
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Posted on 2/17/24 at 11:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I love how the Slava Ukraine!!! fanboys just ignore the fact that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union - a country literally twice the size of present day Russia - for 75 years and not only did it not affect America negatively; the US prospered. But, yet, we are to believe unless we empty our coffers we will be under the bootheel of Putin.
Good lord, the Putinistas are now saying the Cold War was a mistake. I guess it was a natural progression.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 11:34 pm to Obtuse1
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Russia is the only country on Earth that poses a true existential threat to the US.
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Obtuse1
Checks out
Posted on 2/17/24 at 11:43 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
You keep calling me a "racist".
It is racist of MSM and Hollywood to exclusively push interracial relationships in everything they produce.
Google the mere exposure effect. Educate yourself.
I'm not racist - those who are forcing interracial relationships at a clip 10 to 15 times greater than what occurs in real life are the ones who are racist.
It is racist of MSM and Hollywood to exclusively push interracial relationships in everything they produce.
Google the mere exposure effect. Educate yourself.
I'm not racist - those who are forcing interracial relationships at a clip 10 to 15 times greater than what occurs in real life are the ones who are racist.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 12:01 am to Jim Rockford
Don't strain so hard to create a narrative out of whole cloth. You'll get hemorrhoids.
That's not what I said at all and you know it. In fact, you expertly proved my point without even realizing it. During the Cold War, the USSR had a population of 360+million along with a host of vassal states in the Warsaw Pact countries. Yes, they were a legitimate threat. Also, in the first decades following WWII Western Europe was still trying to regain its feet economically and militarily.
In 2024, literally none of that is true. The USSR imploded leaving Russia with a wrecked economy and a population less than 190million. It has no allies or captive states to draw support from. In fact, a good bit of the former Warsaw Pact is now opposed to them. Western Europe's combined population and economy outpaces America.
So, again, what is the justification for hundreds of billions of our dollars going to a region that can take care of a their own regional conflict?
That's not what I said at all and you know it. In fact, you expertly proved my point without even realizing it. During the Cold War, the USSR had a population of 360+million along with a host of vassal states in the Warsaw Pact countries. Yes, they were a legitimate threat. Also, in the first decades following WWII Western Europe was still trying to regain its feet economically and militarily.
In 2024, literally none of that is true. The USSR imploded leaving Russia with a wrecked economy and a population less than 190million. It has no allies or captive states to draw support from. In fact, a good bit of the former Warsaw Pact is now opposed to them. Western Europe's combined population and economy outpaces America.
So, again, what is the justification for hundreds of billions of our dollars going to a region that can take care of a their own regional conflict?
Posted on 2/18/24 at 12:33 am to SoFla Tideroller
The Soviet Union had an ideological compulsion to spread the revolution. And as Lenin put it, the USSR could not survive if it was the only communist state. It would be too big a target by itself. For these reasons, the Soviet Union found itself involved in conflicts all over the globe and supporting anything and anyone calling themselves Communist. It’s how they got dragged into Afghanistan, in spite of themselves. They felt they had to save the Communists there. By the late eighties though, the leadership understood this wasn’t working for them, and that it had become a one way drain on the Soviet Unions resources. Modern Russia is the opposite, and it’s because of this. Moscow is very self interested, and is pretty careful about where it spends its money. And their foreign policy is general driven by their economic concerns.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 1:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I love how the Slava Ukraine!!! fanboys just ignore the fact that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union
Only by force. The Ukrainians fought for against the red army and lost in the late 1910s. As soon as they got the opportunity to leave the USSR they left the USSR. They only joined the CIS for because Russia threatened to cut off their gas and to not divide the military assets of the USSR with them. As soon as the ink was dry on the paperwork dividing the military of the USSR, Ukraine left the CIS.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:38 am to LSUPilot07
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Yea but he’s playing with fire doing it. They only have 3 Patriot batteries in Ukraine and they are extremely expensive. One Lancet hit would be a disaster honestly.
This is the Patriot system that they got from Germany. It's the only one of the three where everything is truck-mounted and mobile.
The two that Ukraine got from the US are meant to be installed in one location and stay put.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:18 am to GOP_Tiger
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 18 Febuary 2024
On 15 February 2024, Russian pro-war commentators reported that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Viktor Sokolov, had been removed from his post.
Drawing similarities with his predecessor, Igor Osipov, this is highly likely to be a result of Ukraine's success in sinking various ships under his command. Sokolov's leadership style may have also played a role in his dismissal.
Although not confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defence, Solokov has likely been replaced by his now former deputy, Vice Admiral Sergei Pinchuk as acting commander until an internal investigation of the 15 February 2024 sinking of the Ropucha-class Caesar Kunikov landing ship is
concluded.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 18 Febuary 2024
On 15 February 2024, Russian pro-war commentators reported that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Viktor Sokolov, had been removed from his post.
Drawing similarities with his predecessor, Igor Osipov, this is highly likely to be a result of Ukraine's success in sinking various ships under his command. Sokolov's leadership style may have also played a role in his dismissal.
Although not confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defence, Solokov has likely been replaced by his now former deputy, Vice Admiral Sergei Pinchuk as acting commander until an internal investigation of the 15 February 2024 sinking of the Ropucha-class Caesar Kunikov landing ship is
concluded.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:27 am to cypher
Russia lost 47,000 soldiers, 364 tanks in Avdiivka sector in four months - Tarnavskyi
18.02.2024 13:31
In the Avdiivka sector, during the four months of the active phase of the defensive operation, the total losses of the Russian army amounted to 47,186 troops, 364 tanks and 5 aircraft.
Commander of the Tavria Joint Forces Operation, General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, said this in a post on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
According to him, "in the Avdiivka sector the Ukrainian defenders with their courage, resistance and heroism inflicted huge losses on the enemy and destroyed a significant reserve of Russian occupiers, which they planned to use for offensive operations in other sectors of the front".
As Tarnavskyi emphasized, between October 10, 2023 and February 17, 2024, the total losses of Russian troops in the Avdiivka sector amounted to 47,186 personnel; 364 tanks; 248 artillery systems; 748 armored combat vehicles; 5 aircraft.
The commander thanked all the soldiers for their resistance, courage and heroism, for each eliminated invader, for each burned tank and armored vehicle.
As reported by Ukrinform, on the night of February 17, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Oleksandr Syrskyi said that under the received order, the defenders of Avdiivka had left the city to pre-prepared positions.
UKRINFORM
18.02.2024 13:31
In the Avdiivka sector, during the four months of the active phase of the defensive operation, the total losses of the Russian army amounted to 47,186 troops, 364 tanks and 5 aircraft.
Commander of the Tavria Joint Forces Operation, General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, said this in a post on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
According to him, "in the Avdiivka sector the Ukrainian defenders with their courage, resistance and heroism inflicted huge losses on the enemy and destroyed a significant reserve of Russian occupiers, which they planned to use for offensive operations in other sectors of the front".
As Tarnavskyi emphasized, between October 10, 2023 and February 17, 2024, the total losses of Russian troops in the Avdiivka sector amounted to 47,186 personnel; 364 tanks; 248 artillery systems; 748 armored combat vehicles; 5 aircraft.
The commander thanked all the soldiers for their resistance, courage and heroism, for each eliminated invader, for each burned tank and armored vehicle.
As reported by Ukrinform, on the night of February 17, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Oleksandr Syrskyi said that under the received order, the defenders of Avdiivka had left the city to pre-prepared positions.
UKRINFORM
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:30 am to cypher
Some Ukrainian troops were captured during Avdiivka withdrawal
February 18, 2024, 01:22 AM
During the withdrawal of units from Avdiivka, a small number of Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner, the Tavria Operational-Strategic Group Commander Oleksandr Tarnavsky reported on Feb. 17.
He noted that the withdrawal of personnel from Avdiivka was carried out in accordance with the plan developed taking into account various scenarios and possible changes in the operational situation.
“Nevertheless, at the final stage of the operation, under the pressure of the enemy’s superior forces, some Ukrainian soldiers were captured,” said Tarnavsky.
The New Voice of Ukraine
February 18, 2024, 01:22 AM
During the withdrawal of units from Avdiivka, a small number of Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner, the Tavria Operational-Strategic Group Commander Oleksandr Tarnavsky reported on Feb. 17.
He noted that the withdrawal of personnel from Avdiivka was carried out in accordance with the plan developed taking into account various scenarios and possible changes in the operational situation.
“Nevertheless, at the final stage of the operation, under the pressure of the enemy’s superior forces, some Ukrainian soldiers were captured,” said Tarnavsky.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:34 am to cypher
Russian Su-34 Fighter Jet Nosedives in Flames
In the span of two days, Ukrainian forces have shot down four Russian fighter jets, a dozen kamikaze drones, and a cruise missile.
by Kyiv Post | February 18, 2024, 11:12 am
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) claim to have shot down a fourth Russian fighter aircraft in less than 48 hours. On early Sunday morning, video of aircraft reported to be a Russian Su-34 crashing in the Luhansk region made the rounds of social media.
Ukrainian defenders “brought down” another Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber. It happened this morning, according to Mykola Oleshchuk, Commander of the Air Forces of the AFU, cited by the RBC Ukraine news outlet.
The Kyiv Post
In the span of two days, Ukrainian forces have shot down four Russian fighter jets, a dozen kamikaze drones, and a cruise missile.
by Kyiv Post | February 18, 2024, 11:12 am
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) claim to have shot down a fourth Russian fighter aircraft in less than 48 hours. On early Sunday morning, video of aircraft reported to be a Russian Su-34 crashing in the Luhansk region made the rounds of social media.
Ukrainian defenders “brought down” another Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber. It happened this morning, according to Mykola Oleshchuk, Commander of the Air Forces of the AFU, cited by the RBC Ukraine news outlet.
The Kyiv Post
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:44 am to cypher
Denmark has decided to send all its artillery to Ukraine — Mette Frederiksen, Prime Minister of Denmark.
"Ukraine is asking us for ammunition and artillery now. We, Denmark, have decided to transfer all our artillery to Ukraine. So, sorry, friends, there is military equipment in Europe, it is not only a matter of production. We have weapons, ammunition, air defense systems, which we do not use yet. They must be handed over to Ukraine."
Twitter
"Ukraine is asking us for ammunition and artillery now. We, Denmark, have decided to transfer all our artillery to Ukraine. So, sorry, friends, there is military equipment in Europe, it is not only a matter of production. We have weapons, ammunition, air defense systems, which we do not use yet. They must be handed over to Ukraine."
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:15 am to QboveTopSecret
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The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire | The Secret World of Finance
100% old news repeated over and over again to make it seem much larger. Everyone knows about London financial market which was a major vehicle used by Russian oligarchs.
You are easily impressed
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:20 am to WeeWee
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I love how the Slava Ukraine!!! fanboys just ignore the fact that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union
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Only by force. The Ukrainians fought for against the red army and lost in the late 1910s. As soon as they got the opportunity to leave the USSR they left the USSR.
Exactly. Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians in the event known as Holodomor in the early 1930's. Meanwhile Stalin was exporting grain for profit. No surprise that many Ukrainians welcomed the Germans when Hitler invaded. That's the real point of Putin calling Ukrainians "Nazis" - to remind Russians that Ukraine was not solidly behind Russia in WWII. Only the stupid fricks of the poli board could take that seriously. The idea that Ukraine should again be under the heal of Russia should be absolutely repugnant to anyone that cares about freedom.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:14 am to QboveTopSecret
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QboveTopSecret
When is Hillary being arrested? You should have hung yourself out of embarrassment by now.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 8:16 am
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:28 am to Tigris
Let me get this straight.
Ukraine has slaughtered 10s of thousands of Russian troops, shot down most of their air force, destroyed the majority of their tanks......and had to retreat.
But their retreat was well planned and organized (based on US "retreat" from Afghanistan) and many troops were captured (being killed is now defined as captured).
Guys take a cold shower, relax and take a deep breath.
Russia is moving on all fronts, Ukraine decided to spend their money on cargo pants wife's shopping sprees and now have no ammo. And whats left of their personnel looks similar to what defended berlin in the end.
For the sake of all the lives on both sides, come to the table and end this, stop thiefing US taxpayer money, and end it. Or keep this up and you will lose the entire country....though cargo pants will still have his bank account.
Ukraine has slaughtered 10s of thousands of Russian troops, shot down most of their air force, destroyed the majority of their tanks......and had to retreat.
But their retreat was well planned and organized (based on US "retreat" from Afghanistan) and many troops were captured (being killed is now defined as captured).
Guys take a cold shower, relax and take a deep breath.
Russia is moving on all fronts, Ukraine decided to spend their money on cargo pants wife's shopping sprees and now have no ammo. And whats left of their personnel looks similar to what defended berlin in the end.
For the sake of all the lives on both sides, come to the table and end this, stop thiefing US taxpayer money, and end it. Or keep this up and you will lose the entire country....though cargo pants will still have his bank account.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:40 am to cypher
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He noted that the withdrawal of personnel from Avdiivka was carried out in accordance with the plan developed taking into account various scenarios and possible changes in the operational situation.
I don't think a sentence could more perfectly capture "we don't know what we're doing"
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:41 am to cypher
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We, Denmark, have decided to transfer all our artillery to Ukraine.
Sounds like a good idea.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:45 am to Obtuse1
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Russia is the only country on Earth that poses a true existential threat to the US.
Lol.
China is 10x the threat Russia is.
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