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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:44 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:44 pm to
Nah, I just like facts which you loathe
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6162 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:45 pm to
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Nah, I just like facts which you loathe


You really should pack your bags and gtfo. You are needed on the front lines
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8662 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:45 pm to
The U.S. would never leave NATO, especially in today’s climate with Russia, China and Iran all trying g to show their asses. You want allies right now.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
61089 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:04 pm to
Downvote if you are still supporting Ukranian Nazis in here
Posted by Jesterea
Member since Nov 2011
1216 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:16 pm to
How did Russia propaganda get such a hold on US citizens? I’ve been a conservative my whole life, but at the end of the day—China, North Korea, Iran, and yes, Russia hate us.

I just can’t believe there is a wing of our party that wants to abandon a sovereign nation to a foreign invader.

If Ukraine falls, you can bet Russia will lick its wounds and go after someone else in a few years. Then what? We let that country fall? It’s literally appeasement.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2878 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:26 pm to
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If Ukraine falls, you can bet Russia will lick its wounds and go after someone else in a few years. Then what? We let that country fall? It’s literally appeasement.


Only those countries who were historically under Russian rule...

....or are Nazis

... or have bio-labs
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105496 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:29 pm to
There's a faction on the left and right who long for a man on a horse to come and fix everything-and just as important, punish those they don't like. Putin fits that bill for the faction on the right, and a few hard core leninists on the left. IDK if that image brandiñg wàs accidental or deliberate at first, but once they saw it was working, they cultivated it.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:33 pm to
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If Ukraine falls, you can bet Russia will lick its wounds and go after someone else in a few years. Then what? We let that country fall? It’s literally appeasement.


Only those countries who were historically under Russian rule...

....or are Nazis

... or have bio-labs

Want to know why countries use propaganda? Because it works. This is just bullet points of Kremlin talking points.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16136 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:36 pm to
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Only those countries who were historically under Russian rule...

....or are Nazis

... or have bio-labs


That must be why Obama sent them blankets and Trump sent weapons and training
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8662 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:51 pm to
Exactly! Just like Hitler. Putin will make a new reason for invading another country. It’s so funny he says he’s fighting nazis but he’s the real nazi, all he needs is the stupid Hitler mustache.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30677 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:59 pm to
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There's a faction on the left and right who long for a man on a horse to come and fix everything-and just as important, punish those they don't like. Putin fits that bill for the faction on the right, and a few hard core leninists on the left.


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30677 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:04 pm to
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It’s so funny he says he’s fighting nazis


He spent about 10 minutes around the 40 minute mark talking about the importance of the denazification of Ukraine. Tucker ask how he was going to do that being that it is an idea and Putin avoided the answer all his Russian State TV mouthpieces parrot all the time: extermination.

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Just like Hitler.



ETA I forgot to point out Putin said that Poland forced Hitler to start WWII with them. He literally said "Poland was uncooperative".
This post was edited on 2/9/24 at 4:57 am
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
11067 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:02 pm to
I just read this entire thread.

I’m now convinced we should send all of our money, weapons, military personnel, and technology to the Ukrainian Nazis in order to defeat another Nazi who wants to denazify part of his country.
Posted by Bushmaster
19th Hole
Member since Oct 2008
39960 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:05 pm to
Let’s send all of all little social justice warriors over there and fight. Fight for Obamas take over of their government. Fight trans warriors. Till the end.

fricking fools
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13518 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:11 pm to
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fricking fools

Who are the fools?

The ones who invaded?

The ones who resist?

The volunteers? The draftees?

Best I recall we haven't sent anyone over there to fight. It's the Ukrainians fighting and dying for their country.

If your country got invaded, would you fight?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 1:58 am to
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Read the transcripts for the Tucker-Putin interview. Great interview by tucker


I’m watching it right now, Putin is telling Tucker the same BS talking points that Russia has been saying for years and Tucker is just sitting there and nodding along like an idiot.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61428 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:19 am to
Was it supposed to be a debate with Tucker or an interview with Putin?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45724 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:48 am to
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Was it supposed to be a debate with Tucker or an interview with Putin?


Interview but it was even that. I was a 2 hour history lesson by Putin.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30677 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:33 am to
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Was it supposed to be a debate with Tucker or an interview with Putin?


Not trying to be disparaging but have you listened to the full 2:07 interview?

Ultimately he just gave Putin a platform to say what he wanted to say. I don't have any real issue with that because I think if you are sane you don't drill down on Putin in Russia. Best case he just talks around your question like he did the 5 or so actual questions Tucker ask and worst case you never make it back out of Russian airspace.

The thing that I learn about everyone that says it was a great interview is they haven't followed the war. Everything that Putin said today (with one exception*) is something he has said before in speeches to Russia. For example the first 35 or so minutes was a near exact copy of the history lesson he gave the Russians shortly after the war began and almost the entire remainder was bits and pieces from other speeches. People that have followed this thread have heard all of this before from his mouth and reiterated from the various talking heads on Russian State TV like Solovyov, Skabeeva, and Simonyan.

*the one new area of discussion centered around the possible release of Evan Gershkovich which Putin wasn't budging on.



I am not jumping on Carlson for this given the circumstances but he did not do a journalistic interview, he merely platformed Putin. I have no problem with people hearing him even though they could have heard everything a year ago if they bothered. When the interviewer talks 4-5 minutes and the interviewee talks for over 2 hours it really isn't hard-hitting journalism and I defy anyone to argue that. I am also not saying Zelensky hasn't been handled with kid gloves by the Western Press but he has been forced to speak to a lot more painful issues than Putin was in the multitude of interviews/speeches he has been allowed.
This post was edited on 2/9/24 at 3:35 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4630 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:57 am to
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Zelenskyy video explaining the change in AFU leadership.

Here's a good article on Zaluzhny’s replacement. From Politico (free).

Basically, his failure to transform the UKR army into more of a Western style organization and his announced acceptance of the current stalemate were the main issues. However his domestic political issues were also an important reason he was removed.
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