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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:54 pm to RuLSU
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:54 pm to RuLSU
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Time isn't on Russia's side. They can easily run out of money before Ukraine runs out of men.
What’s Ukraine out of? What would they be out of if western aid were to cease?
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And if the US does offer more support for Ukraine, Russia is in real trouble sooner rather than later.
My point is more support is becoming less likely as time goes on for multiple factors, but probably most importantly the development of multiple other hotspots drawing our attention, efforts, and public attention.
All said as someone who’s been supportive of helping Ukraine, that they can win (drive Russia out), but the playing field has changed and that jeopardizes the future of this war. Imo.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
I honestly think the Ukrainians would prefer to have another 150 Bradleys rather than western MBTs. They have really made use of the Bradley and attribute it to the reason the northern flank hasn’t collapsed. They don’t fear attacking Russian tanks with them and if some reports are to be believed, the Russian tankers fear the Bradley. I know we have hundreds or thousands of older Bradleys in storage. I wouldn’t think it would degrade our forces much to pull another hundred or so out and equip another mechanized brigade besides the 47th with them. They sure wouldn’t take the amount logistics to operate more Bradleys than if we were to send more M1A1 tanks.
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:48 pm to LSUPilot07
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I honestly think the Ukrainians would prefer to have another 150 Bradleys rather than western MBTs.
If the Bradleys are declared as excess and no longer needed then it seems like Biden could transfer them in short order with no congressional approval needed via the Excess Defense Articles Program.
Excess Defense Articles Program
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:57 pm to cypher
I guess it just depends what condition some of our stored Bradleys are in. I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to find 100 or so in operable condition that we really don’t need anymore but they could make a gigantic difference in beating iff Russian meat wave attacks along the front lines.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:18 pm to LSUPilot07
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I guess it just depends what condition some of our stored Bradleys are in. I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to find 100 or so in operable condition that we really don’t need anymore but they could make a gigantic difference in beating iff Russian meat wave attacks along the front lines.
More than once I saw a complete unit train (100 cars) on the Huey P. Long Bridge in New Orleans loaded with mostly Bradleys in 2014/15. Some with desert beige, some were green.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:25 pm to LSUPilot07
We may have many stored in Europe, but we have at least 600 in storage at Sierra Depot.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:30 pm to LSUPilot07
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I guess it just depends what condition some of our stored Bradleys are in. I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to find 100 or so in operable condition that we really don’t need anymore but they could make a gigantic difference in beating iff Russian meat wave attacks along the front lines.
According the an interview with one of the top people at Sierra Army Depot, they spend a lot of time maintaining the equipment stored there.

This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 4:20 pm to Auburn1968
I’m sure they maintain a lot of the vehicles we still use in our forces today like Abrams and Bradleys but there is a lot of other stuff out there like M60 tanks or old M113s that probably don’t see much maintenance. The dry desert air helps keep even unmaintained equipment in a relatively decent condition much like our aircraft in the boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB in Arizona. We should easily have 100 more Bradleys in Europe to give though but it just depends what version we have over there. Ukraine has the M2A2 ODS which is i’m not mistaken the most numerous version of the Bradley so sending enough to outfit another mechanized brigade besides just the 47th shouldn’t be an issue.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 5:17 pm to LSUPilot07
This is where retired equipment is stored. They do part out those that are inoperable as spares for what is sold. Looking at satellite photos I see hundreds. The Abrams maybe more. We supposedly have 3000 of retired older tanks stored.
Edit: 2000 Bradleys said to be in storage. They are repaired at the Red River Depot in Texarkana, Arkansas. That must be why so many were returned via New Orleans.
Edit: 2000 Bradleys said to be in storage. They are repaired at the Red River Depot in Texarkana, Arkansas. That must be why so many were returned via New Orleans.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 5:50 pm to CitizenK
Give them a bunch of Bradley’s, javelins, f16s and another patriot battery and tell them good luck.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 6:06 pm to LSUPilot07
They were designed to kill Soviet tanks and Soviets. Send them over there to kill the Russians and destroy the Russian equipment.
Win Win
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:22 pm to CitizenK
Really no reason 200 more can’t be spared especially with the army about to start up production on it’s new IFV/APC that is still based on the Bradley chassis. Giving them 3 Bradley equipped mechanized brigades means if they wanted they can have a brigade at all 3 major fronts along the line or you can stack them up at one hot spot when Russia inevitably sends more and more people to a meaningless death.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:49 pm to LSUPilot07
Isw update
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Key Takeaways:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia’s maximalist objectives in Ukraine remain unchanged and that Russia is not interested in negotiations with Ukraine or the West.
The battlespace in Ukraine continues to be the center of the technological offense-defense race between Russian and Ukrainian forces.
Recent widespread GPS disruptions across Poland and the Baltic region are prompting speculation about the potential operation of Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems in the region.
The French Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on January 18 that it launched an “artillery coalition” to strengthen support for Ukraine amid continued Ukrainian statements that Russian forces in Ukraine have superior artillery capabilities.
Ukrainian partisans and satellite imagery confirmed that Ukrainian strikes against occupied Crimea in late December 2023 sank a Russian Tarantul-class corvette near Sevastopol.
The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reportedly conducted a successful drone strike on Russian military facilities in Leningrad Oblast on January 18.
The European Union (EU) Parliament voted to endorse another step in a rule of law procedure that could eventually suspend Hungary’s voting rights after Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban vetoed an EU vote for further military assistance to Ukraine.
Russia and the Central African Republic (CAR) are in negotiations regarding Russian military basing in CAR.
Russian forces made confirmed advances near Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area amid continued positional engagements along the front.
Russian officials continue to target naturalized migrants as part of ongoing crypto-mobilization efforts.
Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to restore logistics infrastructure in occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:58 am to StormyMcMan
The Houthis are making it more expensive to ship oil from Russia to India and China. The tankers now have to transit the Med from east to west then around Africa. This reduces the price at point of lading to make up the difference in cost at point of discharge.
Thus, Russia is close to breakeven on oil sales again.

Thus, Russia is close to breakeven on oil sales again.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 6:59 am
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:14 am to LSUPilot07
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I honestly think the Ukrainians would prefer to have another 150 Bradleys rather than western MBTs
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They sure wouldn’t take the amount logistics to operate more Bradleys than if we were to send more M1A1 tanks.
I remember when the Leo's and Challenger's first come on line, that was all that was talked about. I haven't heard anything about the Abrams other than they were delivered. Have the seen any frontline action yet?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:29 am to pirate75
They are basically being used last time i heard anything about them to guard the northern part of Ukraine but aren’t near heavy fighting. I doubt we see much of them in anything more than a defensive role for awhile, if that. They only have 31 of them so that’s 1 armored battalion so not much. Maybe we end up doubling that and sending another 31 which would have given you right around 150-160 modern western MBTs along with the 100 or so Leopard 1s but really it has been Bradleys, CV90s, Marders, etc that have made a much bigger difference.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:56 am to LSUPilot07
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a lot of other stuff out there like M60 tanks
I know there are a lot of those just down the road from where I live at the Anniston Army Depot. But I think they convert old M60A2's into M60A1 AVLB. Those are the armored vehicle land bridge. My stepfather used to work on that project back in the late 80s and early 90s.
I think the Depot in Anniston is mainly focused on Abrams tanks and putting the V-shaped hull on Strykers now. I know it used to be the maintenance hub for all heavy tracked vehicles (excluding Bradleys).
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:04 am to LSU7096
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They were designed to kill Soviet tanks and Soviets. Send them over there to kill the Russians and destroy the Russian equipment.
These a video floating around of a Bradley absolutely lighting up a T90. That 25mm Bushmaster did a number on the tank.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:41 am to IAmNERD
The Bradley is lethal when it is firing armor piercing rounds from its 25mm chain gun. Then you always have 2 TOW missiles ready to go if necessary which might be the big drawback on the Bradley because you have to stay stopped to fire the TOW. One thing is certain. That old vehicle scares the shite out of Russians. They know none of their IFVs can go head to head with it and it moves too fast for their tanks all the while they are lighting you up with 25 mm rounds. Darkness is where it really shines though with its great thermal optics.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:19 pm to DabosDynasty
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What’s Ukraine out of? What would they be out of if western aid were to cease?
155mm artillery shells for a start. NATO based ammo and equipment, secondly. Remember, Ukraine switched from their 152mm "Soviet" style equipment to NATO equipment early in the war.
(Russia blocked Ukraine's ability to procure more 152mm shells, in a rare, brilliant move)
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All said as someone who’s been supportive of helping Ukraine, that they can win (drive Russia out), but the playing field has changed and that jeopardizes the future of this war. Imo.
I don't disagree, but there's a real chance Russia falls apart before Ukraine does.
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