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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:24 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:24 pm to StormyMcMan
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Putin says there will be peace with Ukraine "only when we achieve our goals [...] and those goals have not changed." They still include the "de-Nazification" and "demilitarization" of Ukraine – i.e. a total capitulation to Russia.
Once again Putin shows that he doesn’t care about peace. He wants to conquer Ukraine. One of my sauce(s) in Ukraine said that Russia’s most recent backroom peace proposal had Zelensky stepping down, but Russian did compromises and proposed Belarusian peacekeepers overseeing elections, and the Belarusian military holding the western military equipment equipment until it could be returned to the nations who donated it. Haha yeah Belarus overseeing elections will be legitimate and do they think the west is stupid enough to fall for that deal?
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:27 pm to AU86
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He is already questioning the legitimacy of the previous governments military contracts with S. Korea. He stated that they are checking for fraud ( there has never been any indication of fraud with those contracts). Some are beginning to say that this new government may try to use that to cancel the contracts with S. Korea.
That would be stupid because S Korea is letting Poland build K2s in Poland but the Leopards would not be. That’s a lot of jobs that would be lost. They might do it if Rheinmental has paid them off but it would not be a smart political move.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:07 pm to WeeWee
Latest translation from Julia Davis.
Russian state TV pundits say Ukraine must be destroyed - Youtube
Russian state TV pundits say Ukraine must be destroyed - Youtube
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:17 pm to cypher
I laughed my butt off when Solovyov yelled Allahu Akbar with the Chechens. He's Jewish. The exclamation is what Mohammed yelled as he lopped of the heads of Jews who wouldn't convert to his new religion.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:22 pm to cypher
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Latest translation from Julia Davis.
Russians are consistent in their insanity.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 6:22 pm to cypher
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Latest translation from Julia Davis. Russian state TV pundits say Ukraine must be destroyed - Youtube
But certain posters here consistently tell me that Ukraine is the one keeping peace.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:42 pm to WeeWee
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-its-working-major-new-agreement-with-iran-2023-12-12/
Imagine supporting Iran like SirWinston.
Imagine supporting Iran like SirWinston.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:17 am to GOP_Tiger
It is clearer than ever at this point.
You can not claim to be a traditional American conservative or populist and support Ukraine.
If you support Ukraine you are either:
A. A shitlib (Biden, Obama, Clinton)
B. A neocon (Kinzinger, Ryan, Cheney, Haley)
C. A Globalist (Merkel, Trudeau, Gates)
D. A leftist (Olberman, Uyger, Maddow)
E. A Zionist (Kristol, Frum, Shapiro)
F. A cuckservative (French, GOP_Tiger)
You can not claim to be a traditional American conservative or populist and support Ukraine.
If you support Ukraine you are either:
A. A shitlib (Biden, Obama, Clinton)
B. A neocon (Kinzinger, Ryan, Cheney, Haley)
C. A Globalist (Merkel, Trudeau, Gates)
D. A leftist (Olberman, Uyger, Maddow)
E. A Zionist (Kristol, Frum, Shapiro)
F. A cuckservative (French, GOP_Tiger)
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 12:23 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:30 am to StormyMcMan
This is modern rendition of an ancient practice.
In monarchies, there was always a mechanism where you could petition the king or emperor for help if your local government was abusing you. This is a televised version of that, with a state of the union address tacked on.
In monarchies, there was always a mechanism where you could petition the king or emperor for help if your local government was abusing you. This is a televised version of that, with a state of the union address tacked on.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 2:31 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:54 am to SirWinston
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If you support Ukraine you are either:
A. A shitlib (Biden, Obama, Clinton)
B. A neocon (Kinzinger, Ryan, Cheney, Haley)
C. A Globalist (Merkel, Trudeau, Gates)
D. A leftist (Olberman, Uyger, Maddow)
E. A Zionist (Kristol, Frum, Shapiro)
F. A cuckservative (French, GOP_Tiger)
I don't see Ronald Reagan
Posted on 12/15/23 at 3:00 am to REG861
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Imagine supporting Iran like SirWinston.
The axis on this one is:
Russia,Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Belarus,
I guess the appeal is that these governments are such repressive and reactionary socialist dictatorships that the OP considers them "conservative"? Like old school Marxism?
My favorite is how Russia and Putin is the "christian" choice on this list. Christian as in the country with the lowest church attendance in the world, with the highest abortion rate, run by a mafia boss billionaire who espouses to be a populist?
It's the most convoluted logic I've ever seen
Posted on 12/15/23 at 4:54 am to No Colors
The Left has been successful in redefining language in many ways, and so now much of the "New Right" is doing the same thing.
"Conservative" used to mean:
- Dedicated to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the political traditions that made America great
- Committed to the Free Market and small government. The government was best that governed least. Economic freedom is what made America prosperous.
- The belief that the protection of America's future required a strong national defense to protect our values and promote freedom abroad. As far back as the Monroe Doctrine, America has taken an interest in supporting freedom around the world.
- A respect for decency and "family values," by which conservatives meant that character mattered (why most conservatives supported the Clinton impeachment in the wake of Lewinsky).
Today, the people often called "conservatives" believe none of those things.
They talk about suspending the Constitution. The system of checks and balances established by the rule of law in our system is "the Deep State." Corporations are evil and need to have their speech regulated if they say anything these people disagree with. Support for freedom around the world is "globalism." Family values is for suckers, and their heroes are perverts such as Gaetz and Boebert, who would have been forced to resign by the conservatives of 20 years ago.
In short, the word "conservative" now means (to many people), the exact opposite of what it used to mean, and I rarely use it to describe myself anymore, unless I qualify it as a "Reagan conservative" or similar.
People like SirWinston are right-wing authoritarians -- that's why they love dictators.
But even the left-wing media now call them "conservative" -- they've won the battle for that word.
"Conservative" used to mean:
- Dedicated to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the political traditions that made America great
- Committed to the Free Market and small government. The government was best that governed least. Economic freedom is what made America prosperous.
- The belief that the protection of America's future required a strong national defense to protect our values and promote freedom abroad. As far back as the Monroe Doctrine, America has taken an interest in supporting freedom around the world.
- A respect for decency and "family values," by which conservatives meant that character mattered (why most conservatives supported the Clinton impeachment in the wake of Lewinsky).
Today, the people often called "conservatives" believe none of those things.
They talk about suspending the Constitution. The system of checks and balances established by the rule of law in our system is "the Deep State." Corporations are evil and need to have their speech regulated if they say anything these people disagree with. Support for freedom around the world is "globalism." Family values is for suckers, and their heroes are perverts such as Gaetz and Boebert, who would have been forced to resign by the conservatives of 20 years ago.
In short, the word "conservative" now means (to many people), the exact opposite of what it used to mean, and I rarely use it to describe myself anymore, unless I qualify it as a "Reagan conservative" or similar.
People like SirWinston are right-wing authoritarians -- that's why they love dictators.
But even the left-wing media now call them "conservative" -- they've won the battle for that word.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:39 am to GOP_Tiger
ISW Update
Non key updates
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Key Takeaways:
Russian President Vladimir Putin displayed notable confidence in publicly discussing Russia’s war on Ukraine during a joint event combining his annual press conference and “Direct Line” forum on December 14 but did not clearly define his envisioned end state for the full-scale invasion he launched on February 24, 2022.
Putin reiterated his maximalist objectives for the Russian war in Ukraine, which are likely purposefully opaque to be inclusive of additional goals that Putin may seek to pursue now or later.
These maximalist objectives also do not exclude Russia’s annexation of occupied Ukrainian territories or additional territorial conquests.
Putin attempted to rhetorically contextualize Russia's continued maximalist objectives in Ukraine within the wider conception of Russian "sovereignty," an ideological line that has been consistent in the Kremlin's framing of Russian national security and foreign policy since before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Putin claimed that the Russian force grouping in Ukraine is far larger than even Russian officials have characterized, likely in an attempt to both address persistent Russian concerns about a new mobilization wave and to demoralize the West and Ukraine.
The difference in the reported numbers of Russian personnel involved in the war is likely due to different categorizations of Russian military personnel and does not reflect a significant increase in Russian personnel on the frontline, which Ukrainian forces have consistently been repelling.
Putin notably addressed the tactical and operational situation in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast but refrained from discussing active Russian offensive operations in eastern Ukraine.
Putin’s public discussions about issues at the front and about the Russian war effort in general may redirect public anger about problems in the war toward the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).
Putin also attempted to convince the Russian public that the Russian economy is resilient in the face of international sanctions and the fallout of the war in Ukraine.
Putin continued to express an increasingly anti-Israel position on the Israel-Hamas war, likely signaling a continuing decline in Russian-Israeli relations.
Putin attempted to downplay deteriorating Armenian-Russian relations and extricate Russian peacekeeping forces from any responsibility for Armenia’s loss of Nagorno-Karabakh as Armenia appears to be effectively abstaining from participating in the Russian-led Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas.
Non key updates
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The European Union (EU) decided on December 14 to formally open EU accession negotiations to Ukraine.
The US Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for 2024 on December 14, which notably includes an extension of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI)
Drone footage reportedly taken from western Zaporizhia Oblast shows Russian forces using Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) as human shields in an apparent violation of international humanitarian law
Russian forces conducted another series of drone and missile strikes against port infrastructure in southern Ukraine on the night of December 13-14
Ardent Russian ultranationalist and former Russian officer Igor Girkin went on trial and pled not guilty to extremist charges in Moscow City Court on December 14
Chairman of the Girkin-led “Angry Patriots Club” Pavel Gubarev publicly denounced Girkin on December 13, a day prior to Girkin’s first trial hearing.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:06 am to StormyMcMan
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
15 December 2023
Heavy fighting continues for control of the destroyed town of Marinka and its surrounding areas in southeastern Ukraine. Russia has likely further reduced the small pockets of Ukrainian controlled territory remaining within the town boundary.
One of Russia's operational objectives in the area is likely to secure the 00510 and N15 highways to eventually advance further west towards the town of Kurakhove.
Despite its incremental advances, a major, operationally significant Russian breakthrough in this sector remains highly unlikely.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
15 December 2023
Heavy fighting continues for control of the destroyed town of Marinka and its surrounding areas in southeastern Ukraine. Russia has likely further reduced the small pockets of Ukrainian controlled territory remaining within the town boundary.
One of Russia's operational objectives in the area is likely to secure the 00510 and N15 highways to eventually advance further west towards the town of Kurakhove.
Despite its incremental advances, a major, operationally significant Russian breakthrough in this sector remains highly unlikely.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:49 am to GOP_Tiger
Give me a candidate (RFK2, Trump, Gabbard) who speaks truth and puts the well being of their constituents above Ukraine or Israel or illegals or their MIC contacts and that is a candidate I will meme for and vote for.
Your old GOP is destroyed - not by Trump or by populists but by the lies and backstabbing that they engaged in for over 50 years. You're too smug and blind to see it. And yall were getting your asses kicked anyway. Imagine pining for the days of a losing opposition party.
"BUT WE DIDNT APPROVE OF EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS!!!" the simp protests.
Your old GOP is destroyed - not by Trump or by populists but by the lies and backstabbing that they engaged in for over 50 years. You're too smug and blind to see it. And yall were getting your asses kicked anyway. Imagine pining for the days of a losing opposition party.
"BUT WE DIDNT APPROVE OF EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS!!!" the simp protests.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:55 am to WeeWee
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Once again Putin shows that he doesn’t care about peace.
Putin has been trying to get a peace treaty almost from the very beginning. The USA put a stop to it. The USA is the only reason this war didn't end well over a year ago.
Zelensky wanted peace talks. Putin wanted peace talks. The USA said no. And Zelensky bowed down to his master. The USA politicians love them some war/death/kickbacks.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:56 am to StormyMcMan
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Putin also attempted to convince the Russian public that the Russian economy is resilient in the face of international sanctions and the fallout of the war in Ukraine.
Except for their airline industry.
quote:LINK
According to a report by Newsweek, there has been a sharp rise in emergency landings in Russia due to technical problems in recent months. From September 2023 to December 8, 2023, there were 60 safety incidents forcing commercial aircraft to divert or execute an emergency landing - 15 of these were in September, rising to 25 in October before dropping to 12 in November, but shot up again during the first several days of December.
It’s sad and predictable that it’s going to take multiple civilian aircraft crashing and killing hundreds or even thousands before the Russia stops flying aircraft that are unsafe to fly.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:18 am to omegaman66
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Putin has been trying to get a peace treaty almost from the very beginning.
Then why did he invade when while negotiations were still ongoing? Putin wants Ukraine’s complete surrender. Putin is saying that Russia’s goals have not changed. If you will recall one of the demands he made to prevent an invasion was NATO kicking out the members it has added since the end of the cold war (with the exception of what used to be East Germany). Putin is the only person on this planet who could end this conflict if he wanted to, but he doesn’t want to. He wants to conquer Ukraine and then rearm and move on Moldova and eventually the Baltic states.
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The USA put a stop to it. The USA is the only reason this war didn't end well over a year ago.
Actually it was the UK. The Biden administration was still trying to get Zelensky to flee and set up a government in exile when Boris Johnson convinced Zelensky that Ukraine could stop Russia from taking Kyiv.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:49 am to GOP_Tiger
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The Left has been successful in redefining language in many ways, and so now much of the "New Right" is doing the same thing.
I think it is much more sublime than what you describe.
The "New Right" is merely the political version of Trans-genderism.. Authoritarians that identify as a conservative and that is why the new left is on board with it...
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:33 am to SirWinston
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Your old GOP is destroyed - not by Trump or by populists but by the lies and backstabbing that they engaged in for over 50 years. You're too smug and blind to see it. And yall were getting your asses kicked anyway. Imagine pining for the days of a losing opposition party.
Ah, but the GOP wasn't losing in the days of Reagan. That's the point. The GOP was winning elections by large margins and the USA was defeating your friends in the USSR. And it's rather rich to talk about the GOP of Reagan as a "losing opposition party" when the GOP of today does not control the Senate or the White House.
But you just listed RFK2 as your first choice and he ... is not any kind of Republican (or a sane human being), so that checks out.
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that is a candidate I will meme for and vote for
I love the idea that creating political memes represents some kind of accomplishment or civic virtue. That's awesome.
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