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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:43 pm to Hateradedrink
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:43 pm to Hateradedrink
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
The Russian Central Election Commission (CEC) announced on December 11 that Russia will conduct voting for the 2024 presidential election in occupied Ukraine, likely in an attempt to legitimize the Russian occupation and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s rule.
Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of December 10 to 11.
The United Kingdom (UK) and Norway will lead a coalition aimed at providing short-term and long-term assistance to the Ukrainian Navy as the UK announced additional maritime aid provisions to Ukraine.
Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his intention to expand Russian naval capabilities in areas well beyond Ukraine and Eastern Europe, likely in an effort to strengthen and expand Russia’s ability to threaten the West.
The Russian State Duma approved amendments allowing Russian courts to fine or assign compulsory work to foreigners who are convicted of crimes in Russia, likely as part of ongoing efforts to coerce migrants into Russian military service.
Russian National Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev announced on December 11 that the Russian government will make “targeted changes” to the Russian constitution.
Imprisoned Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny’s team reported that Navalny has gone missing as of December 11, just days after Russian President Vladimir Putin’s 2024 presidential election campaign announcement.
Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on December 11 and advanced in some areas.
Ukrainian military officials indicated that Russian forces recently intensified mechanized offensive operations near Avdiivka.
A Russian law went into effect on December 11 likely aimed at preventing Russian conscripts from fleeing military service.
Russia continued to illegally deport children from occupied Ukraine to Russia under the guise of rehabilitation and medical programs as Kremlin-appointed Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova continued attempts to dispute this practice.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 8:32 pm
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:44 pm to trinidadtiger
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The funding stops the war ends.
Just curious, how upset are you with Iran, China and North Korea funding Russia?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:27 pm to trinidadtiger
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The funding stops the war ends..
Quite the opposite in fact.
If the funding stops, Russia rolls to Kiev. And then begins rearming and picking out its next target. Appeasement is short sided and leads to nothing but more war.
The way to end the war is to give the Ukes what they need to convince Russia to go home. That's when the war ends
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:41 pm to No Colors
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If the funding stops, Russia rolls to Kiev. And then begins rearming and picking out its next target. Appeasement is short sided and leads to nothing but more war.
The way to end the war is to give the Ukes what they need to convince Russia to go home. That's when the war ends
Ridiculous on so many levels.
Russia is a dying country. They are a regional nuisance at best.
The last 18 months have proved this if nothing else.
The idea that the Russians are now going to storm across Europe when they are dying and weak yet they never did it when they were much stronger is so ridiculous I don't know where to start.
That being said, the Ukrainians will never be able to run the Russians back across the border. They do not have people skilled enough to make it happen no matter the weapons we send them. Nor do they have enough people.
NATO troops can probably send them back. Are you willing to risk WWIII over a few hundred miles of eastern Ukraine?
Maybe you think that's a great idea but there isn't a single population in NATO that would support it. Not a single one in Europe or North America.
So where does the leave us General? How many dead do you want to see stacked in worship of this stalemate?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:47 pm to WeeWee
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Oh well in that case, Cheerio mate! Would you like to get together to watch Liverpool vs Manchester United and have a spot of tea on Sunday? After all we are British thanks to the GDP of the British Empire being so much larger than that of the American colonies.
That’s why the US crushed N Vietnam. It’s the economy stupid.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:49 pm to trinidadtiger
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What would ukraines economy look like if we had not pumped 100 billion into it...just asking for a friend
Does your friend understand that if I gave you 20 battle tanks it does nothing for your economy? Nor does thousands of cluster bombs or millions of bullets.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:54 pm to Tiger985
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So where does the leave us General? How many dead do you want to see stacked in worship of this stalemate?
That’s up to Ukraine and Russia.
Ask the Ukrainians do they want to fight for their nation. Then ask thd Russians if they want to fight for the Ukrainians nation.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:37 pm to WeeWee
quote:Right. France and the equalizing cost of crossing a 3500mi moat had a bit to do with that. Vietnam might be a counter, but in general the principle stands.
After all we are British thanks to the GDP of the British Empire being so much larger than that of the American colonies.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:46 pm to WeeWee
quote:Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
Negotiations are based in compromise and good faith.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:34 am to NC_Tigah
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 December 2023
Russian forces highly likely continue to struggle when fighting at night. Numerous reports from combatants have highlighted this trend since the start of the war; in late November 2023, a social media user claiming to be a Russian soldier serving in Kherson highlighted the shortage of night vision goggles (NVGs) and low-light cameras for uncrewed aerial vehicles.
NVGs have frequently featured high in the lists of equipment Russian units request from their families and supporters. Ukrainian forces have often been equipped with night vision devices from international partners.
There is also likely a cultural element to Russia's problem: Russian military training has rarely emphasised night exercises, instead typically building towards set-piece, daylight events to impress visiting senior officers. In contrast, the Russian soldier claimed Ukrainian forces "move mostly at night".
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 December 2023
Russian forces highly likely continue to struggle when fighting at night. Numerous reports from combatants have highlighted this trend since the start of the war; in late November 2023, a social media user claiming to be a Russian soldier serving in Kherson highlighted the shortage of night vision goggles (NVGs) and low-light cameras for uncrewed aerial vehicles.
NVGs have frequently featured high in the lists of equipment Russian units request from their families and supporters. Ukrainian forces have often been equipped with night vision devices from international partners.
There is also likely a cultural element to Russia's problem: Russian military training has rarely emphasised night exercises, instead typically building towards set-piece, daylight events to impress visiting senior officers. In contrast, the Russian soldier claimed Ukrainian forces "move mostly at night".
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:16 am to Tiger985
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How many dead do you want to see stacked in worship of this stalemate?
That's up to Putin. He started it. He miscalculated. Now he's the one who's stuck. He's the one sending meat waves of prisoners against cluster munitions.
If it was your country and your neighbor invaded you, when would you stop defending yourself? When would you roll over?
Should Guayana just give Venezuela 2/3 of its country because Venezuela is bigger? Because Venezuela has mismanaged its own resources and now needs to gobble up its neighbors? Should we have let Germany take Romania because it needed the oil? Should we let China take the Phillipines because it wants to control the South China Sea?
Where does it stop?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:35 am to No Colors
quote:Wait! The number of dead is up to Putin? That's your simpleton answer?
How many dead do you want to see stacked in worship of this stalemate?
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That's up to Putin.
You think Putin gives a rat's arse how many conscripts in his penal battalions are massacred as they kill and mame Ukrainians?
Newsflash: He doesn't care. Russia has 3.5X the number of men to run through.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:42 am to cypher
I've seen a large increase in videos on telegram with nvg and thermals on drones of different types.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:00 am to ticklechain
Tusk: Poland will 'demand full mobilization' of West to help Ukraine
by Nate Ostiller and The Kyiv Independent news desk
Newly elected Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Dec. 12 that Poland will “loudly and decisively demand the full mobilization of the free world, the Western world, to help Ukraine in this war.”
Tusk was elected as Poland's prime minister following a vote in the country's parliament, the Sejm, on Dec. 11.
The vote came after Mateusz Morawiecki, who was prime minister since 2017 as a member of the then ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party, lost a vote of confidence earlier on Dec. 11, ending political wrangling in Poland's government that has followed the Oct. 15 parliamentary election.
by Nate Ostiller and The Kyiv Independent news desk
Newly elected Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Dec. 12 that Poland will “loudly and decisively demand the full mobilization of the free world, the Western world, to help Ukraine in this war.”
Tusk was elected as Poland's prime minister following a vote in the country's parliament, the Sejm, on Dec. 11.
The vote came after Mateusz Morawiecki, who was prime minister since 2017 as a member of the then ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party, lost a vote of confidence earlier on Dec. 11, ending political wrangling in Poland's government that has followed the Oct. 15 parliamentary election.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:11 am to cypher
Francis Scarr
@francis_scarr
4:57 AM · Dec 12, 2023
Russian MP Andrei Gurulyov:
"The objectives set by the president haven’t gone anywhere… Denazification and demilitarisation are only possible with the full capitulation of the country currently known as Ukraine."
Twitter video
Transcript of Gurulyov remarks:
Now, regarding the suggestions that Ukraine should concede some territory to Russia. I don't really understand what Ukraine can remain after everything that's happened.
What Ukraine should we speak of? What Ukraine can there be? A Nazi one?
We should achieve the goals and objectives set out by the president.They haven't gone anywhere.Just as they existed, so they remain. Those are the objectives we have today!
Denazification and demilitarization are only possible with the full capitulation of the country which is currently called Ukraine. And Ukraine is a former part of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union is what Russia was called from 1917 until its collapse.
That's right isn't it? Well let's say it how it is. What Ukraine should remain? What are we talking about today?
The president was correct when he said that it's our native Russian territory!
And that must be our position.
@francis_scarr
4:57 AM · Dec 12, 2023
Russian MP Andrei Gurulyov:
"The objectives set by the president haven’t gone anywhere… Denazification and demilitarisation are only possible with the full capitulation of the country currently known as Ukraine."
Twitter video
Transcript of Gurulyov remarks:
Now, regarding the suggestions that Ukraine should concede some territory to Russia. I don't really understand what Ukraine can remain after everything that's happened.
What Ukraine should we speak of? What Ukraine can there be? A Nazi one?
We should achieve the goals and objectives set out by the president.They haven't gone anywhere.Just as they existed, so they remain. Those are the objectives we have today!
Denazification and demilitarization are only possible with the full capitulation of the country which is currently called Ukraine. And Ukraine is a former part of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union is what Russia was called from 1917 until its collapse.
That's right isn't it? Well let's say it how it is. What Ukraine should remain? What are we talking about today?
The president was correct when he said that it's our native Russian territory!
And that must be our position.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:12 am to NC_Tigah
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quote:Negotiations are based in compromise and good faith. Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
So you believe socialist propaganda?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:32 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Wait! The number of dead is up to Putin?
Yes it is unless you think Ukraine should become a Russian vassal state like Belarus.
quote:
You think Putin gives a rat's arse how many conscripts in his penal battalions are massacred as they kill and mame Ukrainians?
Obviously not.
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Newsflash: He doesn't care. Russia has 3.5X the number of men to run through.
You are becoming redundant.
Furthermore, why would you recommend Ukraine surrender to a bloodthirsty dictator? It’s obvious he doesn’t care about his own people, why do you think he’d just let the Ukrainians live in peace? He wouldn’t.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:39 am to doubleb
quote:First google hit, of several.
socialist propaganda?
Rather than being simplistically disagreeable, state your point. Is it your contention Merkel never made the statement?
Business Mirror: Merkel admits Minsk meant to buy Ukraine time LINK
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Merkel: I thought the initiation of NATO accession by Ukraine and Georgia, which was discussed in 2008, was wrong. The countries neither had the necessary prerequisites for this, nor had the consequences of such a decision been fully thought through, both with regard to Russia's actions against Georgia and Ukraine and to NATO and its assistance rules.
Or let's look at my policy regarding Russia and Ukraine. I come to the conclusion that I made the decisions I made back then in a way that is understandable to me today. It was an attempt to prevent just such a war. The fact that this was not successful does not mean that the attempts were wrong.
The 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time.
LINK
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:43 am to doubleb
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Furthermore, why would you recommend Ukraine surrender
Where have I made that recommendation?
quote:Yet, he did ... until 2014. It's a conundrum. Why did he do that?
why do you think he’d just let the Ukrainians live in peace?
He wouldn’t.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:48 am to NC_Tigah
In 2014 - there were SO many Nazis in Crimea
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