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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:36 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:36 pm to StormyMcMan
As most know, Tucker's father is a longtime lobbyist for Orbat. Tucker is an FSB asset and I have no doubt he's got a nice swiss bank account somewhere as a result. He's not stupid, he's not brainwashed, he's betraying his country as part of a cynical business calculation. In another era he would have been dragged before Congress and forced to take the 5th.
I don't know about MacGregor. He was a brilliant tactician and outside the box thinker who rubbed people the wrong way and got passed over. It probably made him bitter and what may have started out as wishful thinking has turned into delusion.
I don't know about MacGregor. He was a brilliant tactician and outside the box thinker who rubbed people the wrong way and got passed over. It probably made him bitter and what may have started out as wishful thinking has turned into delusion.
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Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:38 pm to OutsideObserver
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how do they deal with people who have collaborated primarily out of selfless interests or due to being trapped by circumstance as it appears in Oleksiy Levchenko's case from the article
They literally made a whole governmental divison to deal with this
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:42 pm to StormyMcMan
Firefighters and other public servants should get a pass as long as they didn't do anything beyond the normal scope of their job.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:59 pm to StormyMcMan
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They literally made a whole governmental divison to deal with this
Well more repurposed an old entity set up in 2016 for reintegration strategies which was an amalgamation of two other entities set up following the 2014 annexation of Crimea.
I am looking at it more from the individual side, sure they have strategies set up to deal with these situations but the real issues will be societal once the dust settles and can just cause further division if not handled well.
It will be very easy for past grievances or agendas to be the impetus to abuse others by branding them with an easy label of "collaborator".
I am not saying that is the case with this particular article but on the face of it Oleksiy Levchenko is presented as someone who spent a considerable part of his life in the service of others through his job, fought for Ukraine, and did everything he could to get guidance. Essentially left out to dry and under threat he made decisions for interests of his family and community and is facing blind repercussions because of this.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 9:04 pm to StormyMcMan
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Carlson interviewing MacGregor
That interview is a very good example of what was being attributed (poorly) in relation to Tatarigami here a few pages ago.
Lima Whiskey said:
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I don't know who this is, but I can tell you he's not an honest person. Based on this line alone.
He's suggesting the idea, planting it in the head of his hopeful audience, and then he's saying, well I don't have to explain or justify it. But I do want you to think about it. It's the rhetorical device of liar. This is not someone you should pay attention to.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 9:43 pm to Jim Rockford
LOL
Posted on 8/22/23 at 10:25 pm to LSUnation78
I would imagine there would be high interest of the inside of any western equipment
Posted on 8/22/23 at 11:12 pm to Jim Rockford
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As most know, Tucker's father is a longtime lobbyist for Orbat. Tucker is an FSB asset and I have no doubt he's got a nice swiss bank account somewhere as a result. He's not stupid, he's not brainwashed, he's betraying his country as part of a cynical business calculation. In another era he would have been dragged before Congress and forced to take the 5th.
I don't know about MacGregor. He was a brilliant tactician and outside the box thinker who rubbed people the wrong way and got passed over. It probably made him bitter and what may have started out as wishful thinking has turned into delusion.
His dad has been Orban's personal lobbyist in DC since the late 1990s. Orban is a longtime Putin ally.
As for MacGregor, word is that he was a prima donna and expected to be treated as such, when he was in Europe. That is at least per a Polish military advisor who I know (former active duty Marine in Lebanon, then worked for the NSA afterwards until Reagan left office, wounded in Lebanon pretty badly so why he went to NSA). Now a prof/advisor in Poland.
Every single one of MacGregor's assessments during his almost weekly interviews on Napolitano's Judging Freedom have been wrong, as if the dude doesn't know how to read a topographical map. Russia was supposed to take Odessa AFTER the bridges were made unusable by Ukraine per MacGregor. Same song about Ukraine Russia almost weekly since early March 2022. Maybe someone has compromising pictures of he and Scott Ritter?
At the same time answers to questions on China have been spot on the money. So it's not like he's on dope.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:24 am to OutsideObserver
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They literally made a whole governmental divison to deal with this
quote:Seventy-eight years after the Occupation, the French are still fighting bitterly over just this issue. Who was a collaborator and who was a member of the Resistance. Hate for the Germans was resolved decades ago but every year these open public feuds result in arson attacks. Even though the original participants are long dead. Hate lives forever.
It will be very easy for past grievances or agendas to be the impetus to abuse others by branding them with an easy label of "collaborator".
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:58 am to CitizenK
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 August 2023
As of mid-August 2023, Russian forces were continuing to employ pontoon bridges at Chonhar and Henichesk crossing points on the border between southern Ukraine and occupied Crimea. Both permanent bridges sustained damage from Ukrainian precision strikes in early August 2023.
The pontoon bridges are unlikely to be able to fully sustain the flow of heavy vehicles carrying ammunition and weaponry to the front.
The resulting bottlenecks mean Russian forces are partially reliant on a long diversion via Armiansk, northern Crimea. This is adding further friction to Russia's logistics network in the south.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 August 2023
As of mid-August 2023, Russian forces were continuing to employ pontoon bridges at Chonhar and Henichesk crossing points on the border between southern Ukraine and occupied Crimea. Both permanent bridges sustained damage from Ukrainian precision strikes in early August 2023.
The pontoon bridges are unlikely to be able to fully sustain the flow of heavy vehicles carrying ammunition and weaponry to the front.
The resulting bottlenecks mean Russian forces are partially reliant on a long diversion via Armiansk, northern Crimea. This is adding further friction to Russia's logistics network in the south.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 6:46 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 6:00 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Seventy-eight years after the Occupation, the French are still fighting bitterly over just this issue. Who was a collaborator and who was a member of the Resistance. Hate for the Germans was resolved decades ago but every year these open public feuds result in arson attacks. Even though the original participants are long dead. Hate lives forever.
The heart of all war starts in grievance, even if the overall goal is power.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 6:36 am to OutsideObserver
Lots of chatter about a Russian S-400 or S-300 that got destroyed mainly because the drone that filmed bombed it filmed the whole thing
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The pro Russian sources are a little different on it
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The russian S-400 complex was destroyed in the temporarily occupied Crimea, - MDI.
An explosion took place near the village of Olenivka on Cape Tarkhankut in the temporarily occupied Crimea, which destroyed the russian S-400 "Triumph" long- and medium-range anti-aircraft missile system, the missiles and personnel installed on it.
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The pro Russian sources are a little different on it
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???????? About the missile strike on Cape Tarkhankut
On the morning of August 23, the AFU once again attacked the Crimean peninsula. Cape Tarkhankut, where several military facilities are located and which the AFU had been actively monitoring for several weeks, including with the help of NATO satellites, came under attack.
???????? this time the AFU changed tactics: first, two drones, probably Mugin-5, which took off from Krivoy Rog, approached at a distance of 30-40 km to the peninsula and drew air defense fire.
The drones were shot down, but almost immediately after the anti-aircraft missiles were launched, three Ukrainian missiles were fired from the sea side.
?? Just yesterday a group of boats with Ukrainian Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine scouts were operating 40 km from Tarkhankut, probably conducting visual surveillance of objects near Crimea.
Yes, our pilots destroyed one of the boats, as well as two more near Snake Island, but the others, operating 5-10 km away, left. Their activity there was unique, but today's attack shows it was not random.
?? The strike itself was presumably carried out by anti-ship missiles. These could be both Harpoons and Neptunes. And here we should add that for two weeks Ukrainian sailors have been actively transporting unidentified weapons to Zmeiny Island and an empty gas production facility to the east of it.
And the threat from the boats cannot be written off. At the very least, they carry man-portable surface-to-air missile and anti-tank systems, including RBS-17s armed with Hellfires.
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?????????? As you might expect: the Ukrainian side has published footage of a strike on an air defense positioning area on Cape Tarkhankut. Only the S-300 SAMs, not S-400s, and a gasoline tanker were hit, but it is interesting that the destruction of the SAMs was caught on the camera of a UAV.
Judging by the footage, the drone was located to the north-west of the hit, i.e. in the waters of the Black Sea somewhere south of the Tendrovskaya Spit.
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Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:00 am to StormyMcMan
Youtube video of S400 getting hit
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 7:01 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:07 am to StormyMcMan
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temporarily occupied Crimea
Just curious how many people here think Ukraine is getting back Crimea in the next 5 years.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:08 am to BlackPawnMartyr
I think Crimea is likely to remain Russian at the end of the war. But if Ukraine can sever the landbridge, they can starve the peninsula and cause some mass casualty events to make the russians at least capitulate
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:34 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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Just curious how many people here think Ukraine is getting back Crimea in the next 5 years.
I think Russia loses this war, Putin gets deposed, Crimea goes back to Ukraine, and there is general upheaval and reshuffling in many of the fringe provinces.
Russia has been in an almost constant state of expanding and contracting for its entire history. No reason to think it has changed.
It might not all happen in 5 years. My timeline is closet to 5-10 years.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:38 am to No Colors
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I think Russia loses this war, Putin gets deposed, Crimea goes back to Ukraine, and there is general upheaval and reshuffling in many of the fringe provinces. Russia has been in an almost constant state of expanding and contracting for its entire history. No reason to think it has changed. It might not all happen in 5 years. My timeline is closet to 5-10 years.
At the current rate of attrition for both sides, I don’t see how Ukraine can continue fighting like it is today for another year, much less 5 or 10 years.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:42 am to OutsideObserver
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This is going to be a significant problem for Ukraine to deal with if they are able to successfully retake more areas, how do they deal with people who have collaborated primarily out of selfless interests or due to being trapped by circumstance as it appears in Oleksiy Levchenko's case from the article?
Throughout history, we have examples of what happens to collaborators after they fall into the hands of their countrymen. It usually does not end well for them.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 7:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
If you get the Kanopy app, you can watch a documentary all about this called "The Sorrow and the Pity."
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:03 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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Just curious how many people here think Ukraine is getting back Crimea in the next 5 years.
I do not.
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