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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:02 am to notiger1997
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:02 am to notiger1997
Keep talking shite bro and the marines will come for you, too
FEMA is fighting the Cajun navy in Maui
FEMA is fighting the Cajun navy in Maui
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:04 am to Hateradedrink
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Keep talking shite bro and the marines will come for you, too
ETA: Do you buy into the far more mainstream conspiracy theory that climate change is to blame for Maui?
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:23 am to cypher
It didn’t mentioned lasers or aliens… must be bullshite.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 12:27 pm to lowspark12
Whatever it is it doesn’t belong on this board.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 12:28 pm to cypher
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Off-Camera, On-the-Record
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Zoom-only briefing
ETA:
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We've identified which reporters would like to ask questions ahead of time.
Well that certainly won't fuel any conspiracy theories.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 1:22 pm to imjustafatkid
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It's a valid complaint. Our government is broke. This conflict only affects us because we inserted ourselves into it.
It really isn't; its perhaps the most disingenous argument of the anti-war crowd.
There are very few things everyone agrees are constitutionally mandated spending-- national defense, to some degree, is about the only thing we're fairly unified on.
For the expense of less than 3 months of Pentagon budget, we have essentially crippled our main geostrategic enemy of the last century, the one that aspires to make a multi-polar, post-American order.
That's about as legit as any spending gets, *especially* when it doesn't cost any American lives.
Even better, much of the Ukraine 'spending' is actually things that were already budgeted for, so its not like its 'extra cash in the red'-- its transitory accounting, moving items from a discard and disposal cost, to a shipping cost-- a benefit provided by the last Trump National Defense Act already scheduling these 'expenses' into the budget.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 1:34 pm to BoardReader
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There are very few things everyone agrees are constitutionally mandated spending-- national defense, to some degree, is about the only thing we're fairly unified on.
Yet military spending is discretionary, not mandatory.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 1:58 pm to BoardReader
I will grant this:
Congress first passed Lend-Lease for Ukraine, with the understanding that the Biden Administration would use it, and then passed the bills for the military aid money.
And yet, the Biden Administration didn't use Lend-Lease at all. Everything that we sent to Ukraine was simply from the military aid money that was appropriated -- the drawdown authority and the USAI.
It's perfectly reasonable for Republicans to ask why equipment wasn't sent to Ukraine under Lend-Lease, equipment that could be returned to the US if it survived the war, or that Ukraine would ultimately owe us for.
Rep. Bacon and other pro-Ukraine Republican congressmen have a legit gripe that the money was authorized to help Ukraine win, and the Biden Administration has instead dribbled out aid and equipment in such a fashion as though the intention is not for Ukraine to win, but rather for Ukraine not to lose.
So, ultimately, I do believe that there's a legit argument that the Biden Administration has not properly used the taxpayer money that Congress appropriated, but this is obviously a very different argument from the one that our pro-Putin friends are making.
Congress first passed Lend-Lease for Ukraine, with the understanding that the Biden Administration would use it, and then passed the bills for the military aid money.
And yet, the Biden Administration didn't use Lend-Lease at all. Everything that we sent to Ukraine was simply from the military aid money that was appropriated -- the drawdown authority and the USAI.
It's perfectly reasonable for Republicans to ask why equipment wasn't sent to Ukraine under Lend-Lease, equipment that could be returned to the US if it survived the war, or that Ukraine would ultimately owe us for.
Rep. Bacon and other pro-Ukraine Republican congressmen have a legit gripe that the money was authorized to help Ukraine win, and the Biden Administration has instead dribbled out aid and equipment in such a fashion as though the intention is not for Ukraine to win, but rather for Ukraine not to lose.
So, ultimately, I do believe that there's a legit argument that the Biden Administration has not properly used the taxpayer money that Congress appropriated, but this is obviously a very different argument from the one that our pro-Putin friends are making.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
That argument is fair and nuanced, which is beyond the capability of most of the Pro-Putin people.
There are always several paradoxical situations in geopolitics, and one of them is that a stronger and more immediate aid package would have proven to be cheaper in the long-term than the current strategy. As it stands, we will see a few decades of increased defense spending as countries change policy. In the long-term, that combined defense spending is going to be several orders of magnitude bigger than a more aggressive initial policy.
There are always several paradoxical situations in geopolitics, and one of them is that a stronger and more immediate aid package would have proven to be cheaper in the long-term than the current strategy. As it stands, we will see a few decades of increased defense spending as countries change policy. In the long-term, that combined defense spending is going to be several orders of magnitude bigger than a more aggressive initial policy.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:27 pm to BoardReader
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There are very few things everyone agrees are constitutionally mandated spending-- national defense, to some degree, is about the only thing we're fairly unified on.
Ukraine has nothing to do with our national defense in any way.
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For the expense of less than 3 months of Pentagon budget, we have essentially crippled our main geostrategic enemy of the last century, the one that aspires to make a multi-polar, post-American order.
"We already waste tons of money on the military" isn't a good argument to waste more. It IS, however, a great argument to further cut spending.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:31 pm to doubleb
quote:It should be more of one when the government is borrowing trillions of dollars.
It’s not an either or situation.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:54 pm to BoardReader
Don't forget the easiest explanation for sending cash to Ukraine; self-aggrandizing politicians get to pat themselves on the back and feel good about "accomplishing something", while completely ignoring more complex domestic issues as a fix may not work and result in not getting re-elected.
The simplest solution is usually the correct one.
The simplest solution is usually the correct one.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 4:46 pm to LeClerc
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Whatever it is it doesn’t belong on this board.
Why not? Are you the arbiter of truth around here?
Posted on 8/19/23 at 4:49 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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sending cash to Ukraine;
Ok
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
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There are so many gullible people who become such easy prey for the (formerly Prigozhin) troll farms in St. Petersburg.
Great thread by Malcontent News on how newer tactics of mis/disinformation are being used to spread their reach.
https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1692708262414795084
After initial trust building by reporting truthful/situation pertinent stories to gain a following and message amplification they then gradually pivot to promote false or misleading information through a wider network.
In his particular scenarios he is addressing Qanon and adjacent conspiracies around the Maui fires and the CancelThisClothingCo TikTok channel, but there has also been ample evidence of this tactic being used by Pro-Ukrainian and Pro-Russian sources during the war.
I do disagree that people leaning into this information are strictly gullible - as one commenter in Malcontent's tweet points out this highlights the importance of media literacy, which I very much agree with in an age when digital media is so prolific and only becoming more so.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:37 pm to OutsideObserver
An example of misinformation / information operations: distractions.
Russian Mil Telegram channels are painting a very bleak picture of events and the potential for defensive collapse.
Magically, new topics are up for discussion.
Magically, new topics are up for discussion.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:42 pm to Porpus
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It’s not an either or situation. It should be more of one when the government is borrowing trillions of dollars.
I don’t disagree with you at all but we quit trying to do that decades ago.
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