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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:32 pm to
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I was in Kyiv 2 months before the full scale invasion began. Do I win a prize?


He got quiet quick. Lol.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:45 pm to
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Could have all been prevented back in 2014 and several times since

How?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:55 pm to
No they will not bring the HIMARS up to the very front which is why I said they still needed to make a little push further. They are extremely close to having everything covered to the Azov Sea. Then we get to see just how shitty Russian logistics are. Good fricking luck keeping all those defensive lines properly supplied and supported with HIMARS rockets raining everywhere there’s an ammo dump.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 5:57 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:59 pm to
The Russians have heavily beefed up their EW capabilities along the front and HIMARS aren’t nearly as effective as they when they were first introduced into the theater.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:01 pm to
Yes they have increased their EW capability but they have no means taken the HIMARS out of the game. There’s still a shitload of rockets that hit their intended target.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:30 pm to
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Yes they have increased their EW capability but they have no means taken the HIMARS out of the game. There’s still a shitload of rockets that hit their intended target.


Electronic warfare will only work until the HIMARS are given well established terrain mapping/image recognition capability. Then only smoke and anti-missile missiles can defend against them.

I suspect that really broad spectrum EW would affect Russian drones and communications also.

This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 6:35 pm
Posted by 03GeeTee
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:32 pm to
Do the HIMARS missiles have a backup inertial navigation system? Wonder if they could start using that for targets that are getting their GPS scrambled by EW.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:39 pm to
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No they will not bring the HIMARS up to the very front which is why I said they still needed to make a little push further.


But not too much. And you can add a little bit to HIMARS range in this situation, because the altitude at Staromlynivka is 348', and Mariupol is at sea level, so HIMARS will be able to hit from a greater range than on level ground.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:42 pm to
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even if the ukes take Staromylynivka which they will not do.


Russian troops just fought like hell to keep Urozhaine, and they couldn't do it. Why would anyone have any confidence that Russia could hold the next city on that axis?

I'm seriously asking the question.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:59 pm to
I'm really curious to see how the pace of the Ukrainian offensive might change on the Velyka Novosilka axis (what Russia calls the Vremivsky Ridge axis).

The fight for Urozhaine was tough, and both sides suffered significant losses. Russia is suffering in that area from a significant lack of artillery, which might accelerate the Ukrainian advance. On the other hand, Russian accounts are consistently claiming that Ukraine lost a number of assets in that fight and will soon run out of offensive potential.

We'll see.

Personally, I look for Ukraine to push towards Staromlynivka over the next couple of weeks, perhaps taking Pryyutne and/or Novodonetske (marked with purple circles) in the process of pushing up the front and widening the salient.

As I said earlier, I expect Ukraine to bypass the village of Zavitne Bazhannya and simply cut it off -- it's not really defensible or even in Ukraine's way.

But I do expect Russia to fight very, very hard to keep Staromlynivka. It's the logistical hub for Russia in that area. If Ukraine takes it, there's an easy road to the east to broaden the salient, and there are roads to both Mariupol and Berdyansk, giving Ukraine options.




The defense that I expect Russia to present to Ukraine at Staromlynivka means that I'd be surprised if Ukraine can take it in less than a month. But I think that they will, because Russia has lost too much artillery in this sector and (I believe) has lost more combat power than Ukraine has (and Ukraine still has reserves that Russia lacks).

If Ukraine were to take Staromlynivka by mid-September, they'd likely need another couple of weeks to then push the front to the main Russian defensive line, and then they would have a month to break that before the mud gets to be too big of a problem.

The timetable is challenging, but it's definitely still doable for Ukraine.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:22 pm to
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THREAD: Russia's Starshe Eddy Telegram channel discussed a recent battle near Antonovsky bridge involving drones and FPVs that was considered "a prototype of the war that we will see in the near future." Main points translated below

A group of our (Rusian) special forces... was clearing the territory them from the enemy. From the opposite high bank, that is, from Kherson, the enemy discovered this group and opened fire from a tank. Two guys were wounded, a group with the wounded took cover, but..."

.the Ukrainian forces were flying quadcopters over their location, which rotated constantly as the drone batteries ran out and responded with mortars for every attempt (by Rus soldiers) to leave the shelter. In fact, our guys were trapped and

it was almost impossible to get out. (Ukr military) was anticipating that they would destroy our guys, and dropped grenades on them from a quadcopter, and our soldiers had to either run several hundred meters with the wounded in their arms under continuous fire, or

stay in place until dark, without providing normal medical care. Enemy mortars could not be located, and the Ukr military continued to operate. At that moment, a group of our kamikaze drone operators, having approached as close as possible to the water's edge

launched an attack with the goal of, if not destroying, then at least suppressing the enemy's mortar fire and giving our guys the opportunity to escape the death trap. Kamikaze drones flew over us, a voice was heard over the radio: the drones are above and are heading

north. These are ours (drones), now they will cover you and you will escape, hold on. The first three drones flew over the possible location of enemy observers on our bank of the Dnieper, then the rest of the FPVs flew to Kherson, one flew

under the northern part of the Antonovsky bridge and a powerful explosion sounded, apparently one of the Ukrainian mortar crews was located there. At the same time, our (Rus) mortars began firing and the guys, along with the wounded, were able to escape the trap

and they were picked up by the evacuation group. Interestingly, in the skies over this extremely small patch of land were more than a dozen drones that observed, dropped grenades and hit people with a kamikaze strikes

After getting hit by drones, the Ukr forces stopped firing their mortars and did not climb out until they were finally convinced that the «?????» (Ghouls - Rus volunteer-provided FPV drone variant) were no longer flying above and were not looking for Ukr locations.

The massive use of drones, among other things, has a powerful psychological effect, and no one in their right mind can be and operate in the open spaces when death is buzzing over you with electric motors"

The "Ghoul" FPV drone mentioned earlier is a Russian volunteer project, one of many FPV variants donated to the Russian forces.

Such extensive FPV drone use goes both ways - just recently, Russian forces complained about Ukrainian FPV drones and their improving tactics that target Russian forces

The Russians are now also concerned that Ukrainians are operating FPV drones at night: "If in daytime, having heard these drones, you can still have time to react and understand where it flies visually, and decide (if the personnel are on vehicles) where to jump off to reduce casualties, then at night the FPVs will only be heard and not seen. On the other hand, you can make a bunch of decoys to confuse the enemy drones during nighttime ops."

The combat scenario described by Starshe Eddy is a perfect set up for the impending mass-scale use of drones in swarms enabled by AI for recon, comms, guidance, target recognition and other functions - something both sides are working on and pledged to field soon.

One aspect of this battle not covered by Starshe Eddy was EW and CUAS - how different would this outcome be if the Russian soldiers initially had such defenses? Or if the Ukrainian forces were able to neutralize FPVs with with this tech? Both sides are now fielding such defenses on a massive scale.


LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:24 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least two sectors of the front on August 13 and reportedly advanced in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

ISW has not observed confirmation that Russian forces have completely withdrawn from Urozhaine and Russian forces likely currently maintain positions in at least the southern part of the settlement.

The Russian information space is seizing on Ukrainian gains in Urozhaine (in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area) to highlight poor Russian morale and command challenges in the area.

A Russian warship forcibly stopped and searched a civilian cargo ship en route to the Izmail port in Odesa Oblast, likely as part of a Kremlin effort to curtail maritime traffic to Ukrainian ports without committing naval assets to fully enforce a blockade.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line and attempted to regain lost positions near Bakhmut, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and reportedly advanced in some areas.

Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, near Kreminna, near Bakhmut, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and reportedly advanced in several areas.

The Wagner Group is likely downsizing and reconfiguring to adapt to financial pressure following the June 24 Wagner rebellion.

Ukrainian partisans claimed to have attacked a Russian military base in occupied Mariupol on August 13.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:45 pm to
Honestly all of this just makes me think that battlefields will be entirely robotic in the future.

Wars will be won by turning off the manufacture of drones. Mass drone manufacturing will occur inside mountains or in a distance space-based facility that can see everything coming and adjust.

This might be the great filter from Fermi’s paradox. Not nukes, but robotic battles that never cease.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:52 pm to
There is this video doing the rounds that claims to show the Russian withdrawal from Urozhaine being carried out on foot and they get caught by artillery, it is not pretty though the video is fairly poor quality but has been geolocated.

Apologies if already posted have been caught up with a family problem so have not checked thread as thoroughly as usual.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1690788430505017345 - Video in third comment

Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:55 pm to
One aspect that I had not considered regarding the attacks on the Kerch bridge is that even unsuccessful ones impact Russian maritime logistics.

There is still a massive back up of vessels following the recent attack and they are still unable to pass through the strait.

https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/KERCH-STRAIT/ship-traffic-tracker

Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:09 pm to
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Honestly all of this just makes me think that battlefields will be entirely robotic in the future.

Wars will be won by turning off the manufacture of drones. Mass drone manufacturing will occur inside mountains or in a distance space-based facility that can see everything coming and adjust.

This might be the great filter from Fermi’s paradox. Not nukes, but robotic battles that never cease.


At least until the lithium runs out, most current battery technology relies on it.

Lithium is something that Ukraine has significant untapped deposits of and there are several theories where this was seen to be at least a partial motivator in Russia's invasion.

There are some interesting developments using other materials in both solid state form batteries or using sodium as a replacement in ion batteries.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/04/1066141/whats-next-for-batteries/
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:11 pm to
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There is still a massive back up of vessels following the recent attack and they are still unable to pass through the strait.


Is this because of debris in the water or just fear of being hit?
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:29 pm to
Yeah, battery materials are an issue but something else will take it’s place as you allude. Hell, maybe one day they’ll get workable wireless power transmission figured out and Tesla (the person) will be vindicated.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:45 pm to
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Is this because of debris in the water or just fear of being hit?



My understanding is that Russia stops all transit during and after an attempted strike.

This is likely a combination of security, safety, and investigative reasons.

Edit: Added context
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 9:10 pm to
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Yeah, battery materials are an issue but something else will take it’s place as you allude. Hell, maybe one day they’ll get workable wireless power transmission figured out and Tesla (the person) will be vindicated.


The tin foil hat brigade will become the full body suit brigade if that eventuates.

From the material perspective sodium ion would make a lot of sense, a cubic mile of sea water contains around 48 million tonnes of sodium and there are approx 333,000,000 cubic miles of sea water on earth. In contrast the Ukrainian lithium deposits are estimated to hold about 500,000 tonnes.

Edit: Added context
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 9:15 pm
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