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Posted on 8/10/23 at 1:12 am to
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 1:12 am to
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Harry Truman was right

Well then don't read the morals, it looks like hypocrisy.
And it makes you feel the same way.
You accuse the USSR that the Molotov-Ribentrop Act was signed, but you don’t see Hitler’s financing by industrialists from the USA and now you justify Truman’s statement
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 1:20 am to
I accept congratulations on the bombing of the headquarters of the 47th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5727 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:09 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 10 August 2023

Over the last week, the Russian authorities have likely increased their ongoing efforts to disrupt Russian citizens' access to Virtual Private Networks (VPNs). Reports suggest many of the most popular VPNs have become unusable in some regions of Russia.

VPNs allow users to obfuscate their access to the internet, to maintain privacy and to bypass state-imposed censorship. VPNs are hugely popular in Russia, despite being illegal since 2017. They allow users to access objective international news sources, including about the war in Ukraine.

VPNs likely represent the greatest single vulnerability within the Russian state's attempts at pervasive domestic information control. As well as increased technical disruption, the Russian state has also launched a public information campaign, attempting to scare citizens into avoiding VPNs by claiming they put their personal data at risk.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:00 am to
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Over the last week, the Russian authorities have likely increased their ongoing efforts to disrupt Russian citizens' access to Virtual Private Networks (VPNs). Reports suggest many of the most popular VPNs have become unusable in some regions of Russia.
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I've known about this for a long time. I can even add to your message. But it is unlikely to be interesting in this thread
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21181 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:02 am to
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But it is unlikely to be interesting in this thread

Since when has that stopped you
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:23 am to
Let’s hope that Zelenskyyyyyyy is forced to negotiate a peace deal that not even the corrupt Biden administration or our evil MIC can prevent.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 7:01 am
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:54 am to
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Kupyansk is in trouble.



This is looking like it has some basis in truth.

The governor of the area, Oleh Syniehubov was issuing or preparing to issue a mandatory evacuation for the areas around Kupiansk earlier according to this telegram post.

https://t.me/s/kharkivoda/11132

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From the close to hostilities, the settlements of Kupianshchyna may carry out mandatory evacuation of the population

This was discussed during a hardware meeting held on August 9 under the chairmanship of Kharkiv OVA chief Oleg Sinegubov.

Due to the escalation of the operational situation in the Kupyansky direction, the issue of mandatory evacuation from 53 settlements in the district is being resolved. Approximately evacuation is subject to more than 11,000 people, including the forced evacuation of – 600 children. Everyone will be provided with the necessary assistance, the evacuees will be provided with temporary housing in safer areas.

The enemy has intensified shelling of border settlements and those close to the front line, and continues the terror of the local population, including by air strikes. Our goal is to preserve the lives of our civilian population, so this evacuation is carried out prophylactically –, » said the head of Kharkiv OVA.


There is also a picture of a document doing the rounds that is meant to be an order though I have not yet found a translated copy.

Edit: Fixed quote
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 6:56 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:02 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5727 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:25 am to
From The New Voice of Ukraine...

Russians trying to break through in Kupyansk area, says senior officer
August 10, 2023, 07:39 AM

Invading Russian forces are attempting to seize the initiative in the Kupyansk area, Serhiy Cherevatyi, spokesperson for the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said on Aug. 10.

“The Kupyansk area is one of those where the enemy is trying to seize the initiative, act aggressively, and break through our defenses,” Cherevatyi said.

“However, due to the work of the commander of the Ground Forces in this zone, orders were given, and defenses and strike equipment were strengthened.”

Although the situation is difficult, it is under control, Cherevatyi said.

“We know the enemy units, commanders, we know their intentions, so we’re acting there to thwart the enemy,” he said.

The Russians shelled Ukrainian positions with artillery in the Lyman-Kupyansk area 559 times over the past day, with 16 air strikes and four attempts to attack Ukrainian positions being recorded there, the spokesperson noted.

The Russian military has chosen Kupyansk as the focal point for its offensive operations, Ground Forces Commander, Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi, said on Aug. 9.

The enemy assembled a strike force comprised of eight assault units codenamed Storm-Z, leading to intense battles, with positions changing hands multiple times, said Syrskyi.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:44 am to
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Due to the recent Offensive by the Russian Armed Forces, Ukrainian Regional Authorities today have announced the Immediate Evacuation of 37 Settlements in the Kharkiv Region including the City of Kupiansk which Russian Forces are now reportedly only 3-4 Miles away from.

A Map showing the Settlements in the Kupiansk District of the Kharkiv Region which have been placed under a Mandatory Evacuation Order by the Ukrainian Government.


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An Advisor to the Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin has announced that the Russian Armed Forces have completed preparations for a Full-Scale Offensive in the Kharkiv and Luhansk Regions of Northeastern Ukraine.

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Biden wants to ask Congress for another $13 billion for defense, including aid to Ukraine, — Bloomberg.

The total request will amount to $25 billion, the rest of the amount is planned to be spent on post-disaster relief.

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ue to a night drone attack, a Turkish plane flying from Ankara to moscow was forced to land in St. Petersburg, russian media reports.

At first, the Turkish carrier offered them to go to moscow independently, and after collective pressure, promised them tickets for the next flights to the capital of the russian federation.

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#Ukraine is ready to start negotiations with the #Russian Federation through an intermediary, but only after the withdrawal of Russian troops, Ukrainian Foreign Minister #Kuleba said in an interview with Corriere della Sera.

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Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:44 am to
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Russian officer "Colonel Shuvalov" described on Telegram how it is encouraged to fabricate reports about destroyed Ukrainian equipment by filming strikes on different days using various weapons and equipment. This is done to please the upper leadership since everyone benefits from positive reports and inflated numbers. It's a long post but worth reading (source: LINK

"When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.

The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.

The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.

Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.

But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”

How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.

But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.

Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.

And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.

Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.

But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.

Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.

And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."

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ETA: Telegram link for Ruff
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 7:48 am
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1862 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:18 am to
Correct. Putin's reasons are the betrayal of NATO not honoring what was agreed to when Bush asked Gorbachev dissolve the Warsaw Pact. Funny how things like that are not told....
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1862 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:19 am to
I know, you are so much smarter than he is, bravo.
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1862 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:21 am to
All good. You supporters of this money laundering scheme will figure it out one day.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:39 am to
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money laundering scheme


At the risk of derailing this thread:

As much as I've seen this thrown around, I've yet to see anyone actually say what illegally obtained money is getting put into the banking system nor how they needed a war to do it.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16111 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:40 am to
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know, you are so much smarter than he is, bravo.


I'm not bought and paid for but instead have paid attention to his either faulty sources (likely Russia via Orban and Tucker's father who is Orban's lobbyist for more than 2 decades) but the fact remains that he is consistently wrong week after week after week.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:04 am to
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Correct. Putin's reasons are the betrayal of NATO not honoring what was agreed to when Bush asked Gorbachev dissolve the Warsaw Pact. Funny how things like that are not told....


Fabrication
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4139 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:17 am to
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Correct. Putin's reasons are the betrayal of NATO not honoring what was agreed to when Bush asked Gorbachev dissolve the Warsaw Pact. Funny how things like that are not told....


Fabrication

What Gorbachev Heard
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7410 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:31 am to
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Correct. Putin's reasons are the betrayal of NATO not honoring what was agreed to when Bush asked Gorbachev dissolve the Warsaw Pact. Funny how things like that are not told..


The sad part is people actually believe this shite.

What was said, and what was accepted are the matter of extensive public record.

Absolutely nobody on the NATO side failed to live up to their agreement. Now, the Russians might have *hoped* for more, but it certainly was nowhere in the instruments, the agreements, or the discussion of the post-Soviet space.


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:55 am to
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What Gorbachev Heard


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Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who participated in the 1990 negotiations, subsequently spoke out about the existence of a "guarantee of non-expansion of NATO to the east" inconsistently, confirming its existence in some interviews[8][9] and refuting in others.[10][11] Among academic researchers, opinions on the existence or absence of a non-extension agreement also differ.[12][13]

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In the wake of the Second World War, 12 countries from Europe and North America banded together to form an alliance that would keep the hard-won peace in Europe, promote cooperation between them and protect their freedoms. They would need the new NATO alliance for the Cold War that was soon to come.

The Eastern Bloc responded by forming its own alliance, the Warsaw Pact, a similar mutual defense treaty between eight newly formed communist countries. But before that treaty was signed, the Soviet Union did something that seems bizarre by today's standards: It requested to join NATO.

In March 1954, the Soviets then sent the Western allies a proposal for the USSR to join NATO. In a letter to Georgy Malenkov, then the USSR's head of state, and Communist Party General Secretary Nikita Khrushchev, Molotov laid out the benefits of joining the North Atlantic Pact.

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But at one point in history, Putin’s Russia wanted to join NATO.

“Russia is part of European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world. So it is hard for me to visualise NATO as an enemy,” said Putin, the country’s acting president in 2000, three weeks before the election, which made him president.

At the time, Putin’s words were interpreted as extending an olive branch to the West. Since then, Putin has been in power, rising to the occasion and becoming the sole decision-maker of the country.

The same year, according to the then-NATO chief George Robertson, Putin bluntly asked: “When are you going to invite us to join Nato?” Robertson advised the Russian president that he needs to “apply to join NATO” and not expect an invitation.

Some experts believe it could have been real if the West had taken Russia’s membership prospects seriously back in 2000 or the 1990s when Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and Russian Federation’s first President Boris Yeltsin also lobbied for Moscow’s entrance to the alliance

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