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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:31 pm to
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Well Poland’s border presence has been a response to their behavior and provocation, and it’s justified. Why would they not with what Belarus and Russia have said and done?

Well, double standards again. Who was justified? America or the UN, or let's say India or Zimbabwe?
Wagners appeared in Belarus much later than Poland pulled its soldiers to the Border. And our conspirators whisper that Prigozhin's demarche to Moscow was in fact a performance for your eyes and ears. The real goal is a plausible pretext for moving them to Belarus.

And then you know that before the transfer of PMC Wagner, the Poles provoked the Belarusians to shoot?
After the appearance of PMCs there, they also began to be rude to the Poles, but bolder. After that, provocations from Poland noticeably decreased.

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Not a military guy, but it seems unlikely in this short amount of time Wagner, or anyone else for that matter, could whip an entire armed forces into shape.
Well, about the transfer of experience, do not underestimate the PMC. They managed to learn on their own and were able to train prisoners who had not been shot at all in a month or two. Which then quite qualitatively destroyed the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained according to NATO standards, including special forces. Well, I think you saw it yourself on the Internet. So if they were able to train prisoners, then they will be able to train regular military men.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38393 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:36 pm to
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Ruff, are you saying Russia did not enter into the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939?
Personally, I don't know WTF he's saying 90% of the time, and for that reason I wish you guys would quit responding to him because he's making the thread unreadable.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38722 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:45 pm to
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They managed to learn on their own and were able to train prisoners who had not been shot at all in a month or two. Which then quite qualitatively destroyed the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained according to NATO standards, including special forces.




Pravda is paying you overtime eh?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Stalin sent Molotov to sign this agreement hoping to avoid war.


Was Stalin avoiding war when he sent Russian soldiers into Poland three weeks after Germany did? Was Stalin avoiding war when he let German fighter pilots practice at Lipetsk so the Germans could get around the Versailles Treaty? When St as Lin executed 1000s of Polish officers was that another peace initiative? When Stalin invaded Finland in 1939 what was that about? Peace?

Get out of here with your BS. People that know history understand Russian motives.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:56 pm to
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Pravda is paying you overtime eh?


I told them about it many times.
The owners there are greedy.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 3:16 pm
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:13 pm to
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Was Stalin avoiding war when he sent Russian soldiers into Poland three weeks after Germany did? Was Stalin avoiding war when he let German fighter pilots practice at Lipetsk so the Germans could get around the Versailles Treaty? When St as Lin executed 1000s of Polish officers was that another peace initiative? When Stalin invaded Finland in 1939 what was that about? Peace?

You either studied poorly, if you studied at all. You grab the tops without delving into the essence.
Comment it then


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Get out of here with your BS. People that know history understand Russian motives

And now on the subject of the topic, so as not to divert the conversation to the side. Tell me now on the territory of Ukraine (near the border of Russia, I remind you, just in case, otherwise the formation raises questions), so on the territory of Ukraine there is a war of whom with whom? It's about "get out".
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:16 pm to
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If it exists, then you are right. I was not interested in the details of whether it exists now or may be in the future. In this case, it doesn't matter. It is important that in any case, a military coup in Niger can put an end to this entire project. Similar to the explosion of the Nord Stream pipelines


A military coup in Niger is going to end a pipeline that goes from Libya to Italy?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38722 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:18 pm to
Uhhh… when communist are fighting fascist, we, the normal people of the world, want the fight to go on as long as possible.

Let the subhuman fascist and the subhuman communist kill each other off.

Not only will I pay to watch, I’ll be extremely happy with each and every death on both sides.

One less communist or fascist in the world is ALWAYS a great thing.

Damn didn’t realize we had so many communist and fascist fans on TD. Care to chime in?
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16110 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:43 pm to
Stalin allowed NAZI Germany to hide its military buildup and train in Russia before 1939.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45700 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:10 pm to
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Fairly large explosion on the outskirts of Moscow.Near a plant (Zagrorsk Optico-Mechanical Plant) that makes optics for the military. Authorities say it is due to apyrotechnics warehouse exploding.




Optical equipment does not make that big of a boom.

This guy claims it was a production plant for the Iskander missile. Given the size of the boom I am going to believe him for now.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:18 pm to
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Personally, I don't know WTF he's saying 90% of the time, and for that reason I wish you guys would quit responding to him because he's making the thread unreadable.


I'm with you, what he's saying makes no sense. It must be lost in translation.

It's a known fact that Russia signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop pact and invaded Poland. There isn't any conflicting interpretation of this part of history.

It could be he has been taught an alternate history, he is from Russia after all.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:25 pm to
Harry Truman was right
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:12 pm to
Good thread from Osinttechnical combining footage from several other threads and reports of the explosion near the site of the Zagorsk optical-mechanical plant in Sergiyev Posad, Moscow Oblast. Geolocation placed the explosion at the Prio Ross company warehouse nearby - this has since been revised in the second thread I linked at the end from Mark Krutov.

The official story from Russia is that it was a pyrotechnics warehouse next to the Zagorsk optical-mechanical plant that exploded, and ties in with earlier claims an investigation for negligence was being launched as to the cause.

However the multiple videos of what look to be artillery shell casings being found nearby, combined with the geolocation showing the explosion did not likely originate there, make this narrative fairly questionable.

The lack of secondary explosions is curious as both a ammo dump or fireworks warehouse should have had many of them and there looks to be a single large explosion from the footage.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1689328371627364352 - Videos

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Additional footage of the (most likely ammunition dump) explosion at the Zagorsk optical-mechanical plant in Sergiyev Posad, Moscow Oblast



Impact as seen from a nearby vehicle:



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Based on Russian statements that it was an accident due to “pyrotechnics” stored at an on-site warehouse, and the presence of ejected artillery shells, this was most likely an ammunition dump.


Footage of one of the shell casings, which then pans to what is clearly taken from near the location of the explosion, you can see the stacks of the mechanical plant.





Geolocation of where this video was taken from (walking from grey marker to red marker) - directly across a road from the mechanical plant.



While it does not show it on the above video I did track back to this other source and while the site itself isn't something I would normally link to, the video is longer and shows the person filming being waved away from the mechanical plant before what looks to be an attempt to confiscate their phone is made, though presumably unsuccessfully since this got uploaded.

https://9gag.com/gag/aPgpm2w - Video

His thread also links into another thread from Mark Krutov at the end that looks at the found shell casings but the thread is very long and detailed so I won't post it all here.

https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1689250119894347776 - Videos

A quick summary of Mark's thread:

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'Piro-Ross' company, the owner of the warehouse that exploded near Moscow, produces professional fireworks and launchers for 105mm, 125mm, 195mm, & 310mm shells (LINK The shells found at the explosion site don't necessarily have to be related to the military.

Following the explosion in Sergiyev Posad, people were finding artillery shells scattered across the surrounding area.

According to Baza, investigators do not exclude that the incident was a sabotage.

Let me reiterate: 'don't necessarily have to be related' doesn't mean 'not related'. Those shells indeed don't look like fireworks, but there can be several explanations (like conversion as a source of explosives). Also no secondary detonation on videos.


The CEO has been taken in for questioning regarding the incident https://t.me/breakingmash/46731


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Important detail: the 'Piro-Ross' company is undergoing the bankruptcy process now. It was created back in 1994 as a part of conversion of military industries process by 4 military sector companies




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New video, new options to be explored (it appears that the whole pyrotechnics warehouse could actually have been a secondary explosion).





Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 5:41 pm
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5754 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:14 pm to
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Personally, I don't know WTF he's saying 90% of the time


And neither does he.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61743 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:25 pm to
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Personally, I don't know WTF he's saying 90%


This. Between the shitty English, talking in circles, and the BS of his post, it’s like dealing with a drunk Oweo or something.

I like how he told someone in the last page to stop pretending to be a virgin. LOL
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 5:39 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:38 pm to
Starting to see claims that Ukraine has entered and made progress through Urozhaine.

Edit: While the below video links (its the same video, one is twitter and other is original telegram source) do not show beyond explosions, geolocation has been made in the comments of the linked thread.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1689369774696849409 - Video

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A Ukrainian tank fires at a Russian position inside Urozhaine. The fight is definitely taking place near the center.



Link to video source on telegram.

https://t.me/aeronavtyua/922

Geolocation in the comments.

This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:44 pm to
Both of those videos appear to show almost nothing. I see one small impact in some random area, which is in god knows where. What am I missing? I don't see any tanks or people anywhere
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:21 pm to
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Both of those videos appear to show almost nothing. I see one small impact in some random area, which is in god knows where. What am I missing? I don't see any tanks or people anywhere


The video itself shows little in terms of combat apart from explosions, I was posting it about the location primarily - geolocation can be seen in the comments on the thread.

I will update my initial post to reflect this.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:27 pm to
Fair enough
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