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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:35 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:35 pm to
Whilst I considered typing a reply I'll just leave this:

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:43 pm to
LINK. I need the Solovyov GIF.

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On his radio show, The Full Contact, Solovyov weighed in on news that Major General Ivan Popov, who commanded Russian military units in southern Ukraine, was allegedly dismissed from his position for informing military leadership about the grim realities of Russian forces on the frontlines. In an audio message published by Russian lawmaker Andrey Gurulyov—an ever-present fixture on Solovyov’s shows—Popov complained about the deaths of Russian soldiers and the lack of Russian counter-artillery systems and reconnaissance.

Addressing the scandal, Solovyov compared Popov to Prigozhin and criticized his friend Gurulyov for disseminating the recording. “I think that publicizing his statement is a brave and phenomenally incorrect step. Popov is a respected general who had every opportunity to carry his point of view across, since he knows many people in the presidential administration very well. He could have picked up the phone and gotten his message and his point of view to the Supreme Commander, with whom he met, as I understand it.”

Solovyov went on: “For him to make it public was an emotional step which was wrong, in my opinion. Now the Ukrainian media is happily rehashing it. Publicizing this does not make us stronger…. As a combat general, he unfortunately was excessively emotional. He recorded a strong statement, I understand him. But it shouldn’t have been made public.”

Viewers immediately barraged Solovyov with a bevy of messages—and to the host’s dismay, most of them supported Popov’s stance.
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“For me, it’s extremely sad that [Popov] succumbed to his emotions and decided to act in this manner. His questionable methods overshadow his goals. It is a big mistake! And it was a big mistake for my friend, Lt. Gen. Andrey Gurulyov, to publicize it... The country is at war! You have to be able to control your emotions!”

Apparently failing to follow his own advice, Solovyov angrily snapped back at one listener after another for supporting Popov. “Some cretin says we never declared war. Some cretin is trying to lecture me. Listen, you, cretin, get out of here! I’m responding to some idiot by the name of Andrey... I don’t care at all whether we officially declared war,” he said.
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Another listener, Irina, wrote that Popov did not violate any rules by recording his message. Solovyov promptly shut her down: “Yes, he did. If you don’t understand what you’re talking about, that is your problem!” He then yelled at another commentator, without specifying what he said or asked: “Andrey, you are a pathetic nobody, a cretin! Get out of here, Ukrainian swine! You are a worthless piece of shite!”

Afterwards, the host—notorious for his neurotic behavior and frequent emotional outbursts— demanded: “I call on everyone to stop and think before making any emotional statements... Anything else leads to anarchy and death!”
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Solovyov then went on to read another message: “Someone by the name of ‘Stalin’ writes, ‘Shoigu created these conditions for them.’ The Defense Minister is not responsible for this! This is an issue for the General Staff. You shouldn’t use a pseudonym that in no way relates to you! You are no Stalin! You are a piece of shite! Stalin wouldn’t write this trash! Don’t defile Stalin’s name, you are a pitiful nobody! You are a pathetic piece of shite, and not Stalin!”
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28547 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:48 pm to
That is so completely bonkers. I love it!
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:50 pm to
On the subject of propaganda - I kind of hope this is as Malcontent News comments, if not....wth

https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1679605912875696132 - Video

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This has to be a joke

This has to be
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:51 pm to
Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68325 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:55 pm to
Well, this Nuland part is good news.
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Last week Jake Sullivan, Biden’s national security adviser, called in a few journalists to insist that Putin’s squabble with Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner militia, was an armed mutiny that showed weakness in the Russian’s leader command and control of his military. There’s simply no evidence for such assertions. If anything, I was later told by those with access to current intelligence, that Putin emerged stronger than ever after the Prigozhin implosion, which led to the absorption of many of his mercenaries into the Russian army.

Sullivan also took issue with the notion—he apparently did not say where it originated—that the Biden administration was paralyzed by the threat of a Russian nuclear attack and so would not fully support Ukraine. Such views were “nonsense,” he said, and cited Biden’s recent controversial decision to provide cluster bombs to the Ukraine military. He suggested that the anti-personnel weapons—each bomb can spread hundreds of bomblets—could give Ukraine an edge in the war and prompt Putin to deploy nuclear weapons. “It is a real threat,” Sullivan said, of a nuclear bomb. “And it’s one that does evolve with changing conditions on the ground.”

The only good news about such primitive and circular thinking, I have been told, is the impossibility at this point of any significant Ukraine success. “Biden’s principal issue in the war is that he’s screwed,” the informed official told me. “We didn’t give Ukraine cluster bombs earlier in the war, but we’re giving them cluster bombs now because that’s all we got left in the cupboard. Aren’t these the bombs that are banned all over the world because they kill kids? But the Ukrainians tell us they are not planning to drop them on civilians. And then the administration claims that the Russians have used them first in the war, which is just a lie.

“In any case,” the official said, “cluster bombs have zero chance of changing the course of the war.” He said the real worry will come later this summer, perhaps as early as August, when the Russians, having easily weathered the Ukraine assault, will counter-strike with a major offensive. “What happens then? The US has painted itself in a corner by calling for NATO to do something. “Will NATO respond by sending the brigades now training in Poland and Romania on an airborne assault?” We knew more about the German army in Normandy in World War II than we know about the Russian army in Ukraine.”

I have been told of other signs of internal stress inside the Biden administration. Undersecretary of State for Policy Victoria Nuland has been “blocked” —a word used by one Democratic Party insider—from being promoted to replace the much respected Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman. Nuland’s anti-Russian politics and rhetoric matches the tone and point of view of Biden and Secretary of State Tony Blinken. And a newcomer to the upper reaches of the American intelligence community—CIA director Bill Burns—trumpeted his love for Biden and his intense dislike of all things Russian, including Putin, in a speech on July 1 in England.

Seymour Hersh - Fear and Loathing on Air Force One.
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:56 pm to
I’m assuming it had a lot to do with no air support while trying to attack well planned defensive positions
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105276 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:01 pm to
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He said the real worry will come later this summer, perhaps as early as August, when the Russians, having easily weathered the Ukraine assault, will counter-strike with a major offensive.


Where pray tell is the uncommitted reserve that will launch this offensive?
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22581 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:06 pm to
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Last week Jake Sullivan, Biden’s national security adviser, called in a few journalists to insist that Putin’s squabble with Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner militia, was an armed mutiny that showed weakness in the Russian’s leader command and control of his military. There’s simply no evidence for such assertions. If anything, I was later told by those with access to current intelligence, that Putin emerged stronger than ever after the Prigozhin implosion, which led to the absorption of many of his mercenaries into the Russian army.


What level of Russian propaganda dick sucking do you have to reach to come to the conclusion that the Wagner mutiny was actually good for putin?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:20 pm to
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Again I feel for Ukraine but this should have never happened with the us involvement


We cut a deal with Russia, UK and Ukraine to gain control of nuclear weapons. Like it or not we are in. Like it or not Russia reneged. Wd can’t sit idly and not support Ukraine as we promised.

Most of Europe feels the same way. An unchecked Russia is dangerous to world peace. They need to be stopped.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:21 pm to
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What level of Russian propaganda dick sucking do you have to reach to come to the conclusion that the Wagner mutiny was actually good for putin?


The level that makes you dismiss stories based on information from "unnamed official sources with direct knowledge of what happened" when the story doesn't confirm your opinion, but makes you embrace them when they do.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:22 pm to
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Politico reporter:

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BREAKING: Senior U.S. general confirms U.S. cluster munitions have already arrived in Ukraine



That should prove useful against Russia's static defensive lines, traps, mines and trenches.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:24 pm to
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Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?


Yes
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7391 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
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Bargain? Ukrainians whose country has been destroyed and have lost homes, family, cities, and most of their country would probably disagree. Ukraine has no hope of winning. America provoked this and prolongs it by wasting tax dollars providing weapons. This is Europe's problem, not ours. They need to stand up and fight their own battles.


Yes, Bargain is the exactly approprite word.

Ukranians who still have their country-- indeed, not 'most' of it is gone, even with the occupations of 2022, and will still fight for it, show how wrong you are.

They have every hope of maintaining their nation and their independence, and will, unlike so many Americans, understand the price of that independence.

You can bury your head if you want, and pray that a European problem remains a European problem, but that's worked poorly twice in the last century.

Or America can perform extremely low cost maintenance of the world order it dominates for our benefit, and we can enjoy that zero Americans are having to do any fighting while gaining that advantage.

This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65742 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:28 pm to
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Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?


It certainly isn't instilling confidence.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73585 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:29 pm to
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Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?


To be honest, no. I’ve thought from the beginning these units were hastily trained and thrown into combat, all without adequate air cover.

You can’t put together something like a mechanized brigade from scratch, train it for a few months, and expect it to do much. It takes at least a year before they become a cohesive force. And even then, you ease them into combat in more quiet sectors. You don’t use them as the spearhead of a major offensive.

These new brigades were not given that. Now, they’re thrown into the meat grinder, and they’re having to do it without even a whisper of air cover on top of that.

The best combat equipment in the world does no good if it’s not properly employed and supported.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Ukrainians whose country has been destroyed and have lost homes, family, cities, and most of their country would probably disagree.


So, Ukrainians should be trying to defend themselves?

How conservative of you.

Idiot.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:33 pm to
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People that support this war wouldn't if you were in this guys position. Fools.



So just to confirm you wouldn't support any drafting or Foreign donations if the US were invaded and would just cede territory to whomever because ????
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7391 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:34 pm to
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Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?


Given the timetables, the scale of the conflict, the training, the force dispositions, and the asymmetric domination of non-drone air support? Nope.

That progress is made against a numerically superior enemy, on ground largely favorable to them, is more than a ringing endorsement of our generation old tech-- never mistake this stuff for the top of the line.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:37 pm to
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Does no one else find it concerning that so much top of the line Western equipment is barely making a difference in the war?


How is anybody this stupid.

So, where do you think Ukraine would be without Western help?
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