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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:51 pm to
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where does this rank compared to the failed dash to kiev?

Are we just comparing failed Slav military maneuvers?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30445 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:56 pm to
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Biden today when asked about the failed counteroffensive:


They have taken more ground since the beginning of the "counteroffensive" than Russia has taken in well over a year. While it has not met some people's expectations if it is a failure then you have to come up with a new word to describe Russia's abysmal progress since about week 4.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:57 pm to
“Failed” happens once the fighting ability culminates…..

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Biden today when asked about the failed counteroffensive:


I think it’s a little to early to declare that it failed, but to date it hasn’t been all that successful.

The next six weeks are key. Something big has to happen soon.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:06 pm to
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Ironically those lend-lease Thompson SMGs are probably worth more money than any other small arm being used in this war.


They all look to be in remarkably good condition as well.

Combined with the variety on show I wonder if these were a donation from some arms collector. If not whoever was tasked with the storage and maintenance of them did a great job.

Edit:
Malcontent News posited they may have been part of a cache that was taken in the Soledar salt mines.

https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1679593322342649856

quote:

It looks like the cache of World War II era and Lend-Lease small arms found in the Soledar salt mines by PMC Wagner are being distributed to the "lesser" troops of the 1st and 2nd Army Corps

This is fine - everything is fine - everything going as planned
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:48 pm
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79568 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:08 pm to
LINK

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Thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being detained across Russia and the Ukrainian territories it occupies, in centers ranging from brand-new wings in Russian prisons to clammy basements. Most have no status under Russian law.


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And Russia is planning to hold possibly thousands more. A Russian government document obtained by The Associated Press dating to January outlined plans to create 25 new prison colonies and six other detention centers in occupied Ukraine by 2026.

In addition, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree in May allowing Russia to send people from territories with martial law, which includes all of occupied Ukraine, to those without, such as Russia. This makes it easier to deport Ukrainians who resist Russian occupation deep into Russia indefinitely, which has happened in multiple cases documented by the AP.

Many civilians are picked up for alleged transgressions as minor as speaking Ukrainian or simply being a young man in an occupied region, and are often held without charge. Others are charged as terrorists, combatants, or people who “resist the special military operation.” Hundreds are used for slave labor by Russia’s military, for digging trenches and other fortifications, as well as mass graves.


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Torture is routine, including repeated electrical shocks, beatings that crack skulls and fracture ribs, and simulated suffocation. Many former prisoners told the AP they witnessed deaths. A United Nations report from late June documented 77 summary executions of civilian captives and the death of one man due to torture.

Russia does not acknowledge holding civilians at all, let alone its reasons for doing so. But the prisoners serve as future bargaining chips in exchanges for Russian soldiers, and the U.N. has said there is evidence of civilians being used as human shields near the front lines.

The AP spoke with dozens of people, including 20 former detainees, along with ex-prisoners of war, the families of more than a dozen civilians in detention, two Ukrainian intelligence officials and a government negotiator. Their accounts, as well as satellite imagery, social media, government documents and copies of letters delivered by the Red Cross, confirm a widescale Russian system of detention and abuse of civilians that stands in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.


Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:09 pm to
Still can’t believe ppl support this. We have spent way too much money and caused many deaths only for us to soon be pulled into it so we don’t look like fools.

Again I feel for Ukraine but this should have never happened with the us involvement.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:09 pm to
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failed counteroffensive


Please elaborate on how the ongoing counteroffensive has failed
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7391 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:10 pm to
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Still can’t believe ppl support this. We have spent way too much money and caused many deaths only for us to soon be pulled into it so we don’t look like fools.



I still can't believe there are people who *don't* support this.

We have crippled the ability for broad aggression of one of the two nations on Earth that has aspired to peer power status in the last half century, for the next generation, for *two months* of Pentagon budget.

It'd be an absolute bargain at 5 times the price.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41059 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:11 pm to
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momentoftruth87


Remember when you posted obviously fake info in this thread, got schooled, admitted you got it wrong, and then immediately ran to the poliboard to repost the same info you acknowledged was fake minutes prior?

Good times.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150128 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:21 pm to
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should have never happened with the us involvement.
you have openly wished posters in this thread go fight in Ukraine

Seems like you support US involvement
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23722 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:23 pm to



quote:

I still can't believe there are people who *don't* support this.

We have crippled the ability for broad aggression of one of the two nations on Earth that has aspired to peer power status in the last half century, for the next generation, for *two months* of Pentagon budget.

It'd be an absolute bargain at 5 times the price.


Bargain? Ukrainians whose country has been destroyed and have lost homes, family, cities, and most of their country would probably disagree. Ukraine has no hope of winning. America provoked this and prolongs it by wasting tax dollars providing weapons. This is Europe's problem, not ours. They need to stand up and fight their own battles.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:26 pm to
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Think 155mm tube launched munitions from what was reported.

EDIT:

I believe it was the:

M483A1 & M864 155mm shells (DPICM)


I haven't seen it officially stated which version is being sent other than it be 155mm shells that fall under a 2.35% dud rate threshold.

Though I am sure it will come down to availability, it should likely be the M864. While these carry roughly 20% less submunitions (72 instead of 88) they almost double the range from 10.6 miles to 18.75 miles which would be perfect for softening those defensive lines from a distance.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150128 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:26 pm to
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America provoked this
Putin is the good guy here. He had to react once the Satanist cabal of the Bidens, Obamas, and Clintons pushed him too far. What were they expecting? Its over now though. He is fighting this fight to uncover the Bidens dealings in Ukraine, find the evidence of the stolen election, and reinstall Trump as president as he is the only man who can save the Western World

Putin is the good guy
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:28 pm to
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Bargain? Ukrainians whose country has been destroyed and have lost homes, family, cities, and most of their country would probably disagree. Ukraine has no hope of winning. America provoked this and prolongs it by wasting tax dollars providing weapons. This is Europe's problem, not ours. They need to stand up and fight their own battles.


So Russian boots on everyone's necks is preferred? I now know what you stand for, and it isn't freedom.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:28 pm to
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He is fighting this fight to uncover the Bidens dealings in Ukraine, find the evidence of the stolen election, and reinstall Trump as president as he is the only man who can save the Western World

Putin is the good guy


Nice. 9.5/10
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23722 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:31 pm to
Maybe this has something to do with why the "counter offensive" is failing. SMH.... People that support this war wouldn't if you were in this guys position. Fools.



LINK
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:34 pm to
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you have openly wished posters in this thread go fight in Ukraine

Seems like you support US involvement



Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150128 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:34 pm to
Another free thinker who HATES the MSM but eagerly consumes a certain type of message that is in no way propaganda
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:34 pm to
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lake chuck fan


LOL
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