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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

We did what we did because it was in our national interest and I am not apologizing to anyone for it. We tried to make up for our mistake, ignorance, and bullshite to the Jewish community afterwards but we didn’t do right at first it’s just that simple



If you do a deep dive on Von Braun, not only was he the face of our National Space program, he WAS the Space Program. In the 50s-60s he was on TV in every home in America that had one explaining what we were doing and how. You can find those programs on Youtube.

Jews in the 40s, 50s and 60s were tolerated in America but there was no effort to hide our entire space program were former SS guys. The Holocaust and understanding the extent of it is much more modern than we would like to think. Like 70s-80s.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:53 pm to
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quote:cause a small breach to cause issuesIn that case they'd have open floodgates. An unrepaired breach of any size in a dam is inevitably catastrophic.


The Russians were in control of the dam’s operation.
As you stated, they could manipulate the water levels without blowing anything up. That theory made no sense.
Posted by BrainKellyRespecter
Member since May 2023
238 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:09 pm to
Reports of massive Ukrainian advances against the Putinist. Heroyam Slava!
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:17 pm to
Do you like jazz? Your buddy juked when he should have jived.

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Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:24 pm to
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our entire space program were former SS guys.
I'm not sure you understand what you're saying.

But regarding "our entire space program," neither my dad or any other Atlas missile designers were "SS". In fact, I'm not sure a single WWII German was involved in Atlas... or Saturn 1B... or the North American Rockwell capsule... or the Grumman module.
Posted by El Mattadorr
Member since Mar 2019
2374 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:47 pm to
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The dam was 100% under Russian control.


quote:

What are you basing this on?


Uh, he's basing it on the *fact* that the dam was 100% under Russian control. It's not even debatable.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:48 pm to
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The whole Ukrainian “Nazis” thing is difficult for most Westerners to comprehend. This is because from the Western perspective Nazis were purely evil and bad and did nothing good. However, from the Ukrainian perspective, things are not quite as simple.

First you have to understand the history of Ukraine in the yeas before WWII. Ukraine had been part of the Russian Empire since the 18th century until it fell in 1917. While part of the Russian Empire, they saw their language and customs suppressed by Russia. Once the Russian Empire collapsed, Ukraine claimed independence. From the Ukrainian point of view, their independence was made possible by Germany defeating the Russian Empire.

But as soon as Ukraine declared independence, they found themselves embroiled in multiple wars and eventually were caught up in the Russian Civil War. In the Russian Civil War, thousands of Ukrainians were slaughtered and the country was conquered by the new Soviet Union. Under Soviet control, the misery for Ukrainians only intensified. The repressive Soviet regime arrested, tortured, and deported massive numbers of Ukrainians. People lost their homes, their farms, and thanks to forced “collectivization”, a man-man famine raged through Ukraine in the 1930s that killed millions. You can find out the details of this famine by searching the term “Holodomor”, it’s brutal. So basically, by 1941, Russia has been oppressing Ukraine for a century and a half and that repression had progressed to outright genocide.

Thus, when the Germans invaded in June 1941 for many Ukrainians, they saw the Germans as liberators. They saw what the Germans did to Russians and wanted to help them crush Russia for what Russia had done to them for generations. This is why, even to this day, there are some Ukrainians who view the Nazis differently than we do in the west. It’s because from their perspective, the Soviets were far worse and the Nazis at least tried to rid the world of the scourge of communism and all the atrocities it brings.

Great post.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:49 pm to
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In that case they'd have open floodgates. An unrepaired breach of any size in a dam is inevitably catastrophic.


True, but a small breach is easy to repair compared to what looks to be an almost complete failure.

Opening the floodgates would also serve to pressure the island bound troops but is less fungible onto the other party and doesn't create the same stir that an actual breach does.

Without visual evidence of any sort of explosion within or on the structure itself it remains speculative but at least with some plausibility.

Edit: Added context
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 5:51 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:51 pm to
Appreciate the historical context.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:52 pm to
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There was in fact an explosion from the turbine room. I seriously doubt there would have been any flammable material in that room except drums of lubricants under normal circumstances.


I have missed it in the thread, where did you see information about this please?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:55 pm to
I know exactly what I’m saying. You think Americans put a man on the moon? That’s why the race was on at the end of the war to secure these guys. What they were doing was decades ahead of what Americans were doing.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:08 pm to
@wartranslated:

quote:

Several Russian sources are noticing a dramatic increase in fire and assault on their positions tonight in Zaporizhzhia direction. They say tanks are attacking their positions and shelling is non-stop:

Zapiski Veterana:
"I think now we can already talk about the beginning of the offensive announced by Ukraine for so long. There hasn't been such movement at the front for a long time. And on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it never happened at all.
It's happening. Good luck to all."

Sladkov:
"The offensive has begun. We have numbers. Wishing steadfastness to men in trenches. We're not sleeping."

Romanov believes this is still probing of defence:

"Not yet.

There are active probes of our defense. In different areas, at different times of the day.

Naturally, if the enemy manages to achieve success somewhere, he will try to consolidate and develop it."


I am now of the belief that this is the real thing.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:10 pm to
Good threads by Defmon and NOELreports on what disinformation can look like. I am going to be very apprehensive about claims from either side until we see significant movement at the front or footage that is multi sourced that isn't blobs on a screen.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1666533943372402691

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666555157570625537

Original image taken at around 1:07 from this video of a Russian tank loss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4ao5r4WFc



Became this photo attempting to show a Leopard tank being targeted/abandoned on accounts like this: https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880



Edit: Added additional thread
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:26 pm to
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I am now of the belief that this is the real thing.



Seems like it, coming from a few different groups.



Azov source



Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:32 pm to
Right. The "Gandalf" guy saying "Tonight is the night of the nights" is Illia Samoilenko, Azov officer.

And it makes sense that Ukraine would begin the attack at night. I am highly confident that the units attacking have much better night vision and thermal sights than the Russian defenders do.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:36 pm to
Love the Azov reference for many, many reasons.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:36 pm to
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And it makes sense that Ukraine would begin the attack at night. I am highly confident that the units attacking have much better night vision and thermal sights than the Russian defenders do.


The use of HIMARS on Tokmak twice in the last two days is probably another good indicator. They've been quiet lately
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138801 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:38 pm to
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You think Americans put a man on the moon?
Well, it's not a matter of "what I think." It's a matter of fact. For me, it's sort of like insider trading, but absolutely, 100%, not debatable in the least.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8163 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:39 pm to
Tweet from Azov South

Video of lots of armor on the move 17 hours ago
https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1666328209762185216
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:40 pm to
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