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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:50 pm to tigeraddict
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:50 pm to tigeraddict
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One question I have. Has Ukraine been lowering the water level by use of the dams farther north to be able to now stop water flow? Is this why the reservoir was at a 30 year high because they were preemptively lowering water levels to have capacity to sit off flow? Rainy season is now over.
Upriver reservoirs would be full from winter snow melt and runoff from the marshes on the Belorussian border and river basin. Plenty would have had to be allowed to fill this reservoir too.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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The sanctions strategy could possibly backfire, as well as using the dollar as reserve currency in a directly weaponized form, but I don't see how asset seizures will have much blowback.
London then New York became centers of finance because of rule of law. That is not the case in any BRICS nation.
Rots for ruck with that in Beijing/Shang Hai, Moscow/St. Petersburg, Capetown, New Delhi or Brasilia/Rio
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:10 pm to CitizenK
Russians fricking suck.
They’re the antithesis to everything America stands for.
Citizens of the United States of America actively sympathizing with these mongrels is incredible. You’re a citizen of the greatest country on earth and are somehow pulling for one of the two countries that hate us and actively plotted to destroy our fathers and our God.
Even if Ukraine is corrupt, even if Biden is corrupt, even if the West is collectively losing its shite, Russia wants to destroy everything our lineage has bled and died for.
Dead Russians are a good thing. Dead Russians are always a good thing. frick. Russia.
They’re the antithesis to everything America stands for.
Citizens of the United States of America actively sympathizing with these mongrels is incredible. You’re a citizen of the greatest country on earth and are somehow pulling for one of the two countries that hate us and actively plotted to destroy our fathers and our God.
Even if Ukraine is corrupt, even if Biden is corrupt, even if the West is collectively losing its shite, Russia wants to destroy everything our lineage has bled and died for.
Dead Russians are a good thing. Dead Russians are always a good thing. frick. Russia.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:13 pm to CitizenK
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Soviets blew a hole in the damn in 1941 to slow the Germans. Rebuilt a decade later. If anything, we have seen mostly WWII tactics from Russia.
Possible. Seems like it makes regional advances near impossible for the Ukraine forces in the short term (a plausible motive for Russian soldiers with Wagner level loyalty). But long-term it serves Ukrainian purposes by destroying regional agriculture the Russians control.
If this was Ukraine's doing then there's an ugly symmetry. Both Russia and Ukraine would have used the destruction of agriculture to immiserate and weaken the opponent in this conflict.
Given the early 20th century famine Russian policies intentionally produced in Ukraine there's a second historical symmetry.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:46 pm to molsusports
Internal Blast Probably Breached Ukraine Dam, Experts Say (Cautiously)
With Russia and Ukraine blaming each other for the collapse of the Kakhovka dam, experts say that an external attack or even structural failure might explain the disaster, but that it is not likely.
June 6, 2023Updated 8:17 p.m. ET
A deliberate explosion inside the Kakhovka dam, on the front line of the war in Ukraine, most likely caused its collapse on Tuesday, according to engineering and munitions experts, who said that structural failure or an attack from outside the dam were possible but less plausible explanations.
Ihor Syrota, head of Ukrhydroenergo, the state hydroelectric company, said in an interview, “A missile strike would not cause such destruction because this plant was built to withstand an atomic bomb.” He added, “It’s clear: There was a blast from inside the station and the station broke in half.”
NYT
With Russia and Ukraine blaming each other for the collapse of the Kakhovka dam, experts say that an external attack or even structural failure might explain the disaster, but that it is not likely.
June 6, 2023Updated 8:17 p.m. ET
A deliberate explosion inside the Kakhovka dam, on the front line of the war in Ukraine, most likely caused its collapse on Tuesday, according to engineering and munitions experts, who said that structural failure or an attack from outside the dam were possible but less plausible explanations.
Ihor Syrota, head of Ukrhydroenergo, the state hydroelectric company, said in an interview, “A missile strike would not cause such destruction because this plant was built to withstand an atomic bomb.” He added, “It’s clear: There was a blast from inside the station and the station broke in half.”
NYT
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:49 pm to Hateradedrink
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Russians fricking suck. They’re the antithesis to everything America stands for. Citizens of the United States of America actively sympathizing with these mongrels is incredible. You’re a citizen of the greatest country on earth and are somehow pulling for one of the two countries that hate us and actively plotted to destroy our fathers and our God. Even if Ukraine is corrupt, even if Biden is corrupt, even if the West is collectively losing its shite, Russia wants to destroy everything our lineage has bled and died for. Dead Russians are a good thing. Dead Russians are always a good thing. frick. Russia.
Calm down sally.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:05 pm to Hateradedrink
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They’re the antithesis to everything America stands for.
Not sure what this even means anymore. What does America actually stand for? We say one thing and do another, domestically and internationally. I wish America actually stood for freedom and democracy but from what I can see, they're just hollow words at this point. We overthrow governments all over the world, use government agencies to illegally target citizens and opposition politicians, we chip away at individual rights a little more every year, we drastically censor the news, etc. This is where our energy and resources should be focused.
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hate us and actively plotted to destroy our fathers and our God.
So did Japan, so did Germany. I don't hate either of them
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Even if Ukraine is corrupt, even if Biden is corrupt, even if the West is collectively losing its shite,
Sorry, I can't overlook this.
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Russia wants to destroy everything our lineage has bled and died for.
We're kind of doing that to ourselves, aren't we? Outside of using nuclear weapons Russia isn't a threat to the United States, militarily or economically.
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Dead Russians are a good thing. Dead Russians are always a good thing.
That seems to be the consensus around here, I just don't see it that way. I don't enjoy seeing Ukrainians die either
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:19 pm to ColtRange
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What does America actually stand for?
America stands for LGBTQI+ rights to all people of the world
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:27 pm to BrainKellyRespecter
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:31 pm to BrainKellyRespecter
quote:yes. The United States stands for the civil rights of every single human regardless of their race, religion, or sexuality. Is that supposed to be an insult?
America stands for LGBTQI+ rights to all people of the world
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:35 pm to molsusports
Is it plausible that someone who wanted to slow down the war and stall for who knows what reason blew the dam. Could it have been us?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:44 pm to molsusports
Both sides have things to gain and lose from this dam being destroyed.
For Russia, blowing the dam makes a Ukrainian counter-offensive across the Dnieper towards Crimea incredibly difficult. It likely helps them to defend that frontier so they can focus more troops in the East.
For The Ukraine, blowing up the dam floods primarily Russian held land (as the Russian occupied side of the river is lower in elevation and more likely to be inundated), and would divert water out of the canal which feeds water to Crimea. The Russians had previously restored water flow through the canal to Crimea at the beginning of the war, so the Crimea permanently losing its freshwater supply would be a tremendous blow to Russia's ability to utilize the peninsula. Sevestapol was already undergoing serious water rationing pre-war and was desperately close to running out of drinking water for its population as crops withered away across the peninsula.
If I had to guess who did it, though, my money would be on the Russians, as blowing the dam gives them the best short term benefit even if it presents the biggest long term problem.
For Russia, blowing the dam makes a Ukrainian counter-offensive across the Dnieper towards Crimea incredibly difficult. It likely helps them to defend that frontier so they can focus more troops in the East.
For The Ukraine, blowing up the dam floods primarily Russian held land (as the Russian occupied side of the river is lower in elevation and more likely to be inundated), and would divert water out of the canal which feeds water to Crimea. The Russians had previously restored water flow through the canal to Crimea at the beginning of the war, so the Crimea permanently losing its freshwater supply would be a tremendous blow to Russia's ability to utilize the peninsula. Sevestapol was already undergoing serious water rationing pre-war and was desperately close to running out of drinking water for its population as crops withered away across the peninsula.
If I had to guess who did it, though, my money would be on the Russians, as blowing the dam gives them the best short term benefit even if it presents the biggest long term problem.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:52 pm to kingbob
I know this dam just exploded and stuff but did we ever find out why the Ukrainian soldiers are wearing Nazi stuff?
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 8:59 pm to Blitzed
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but did we ever find out why the Ukrainian soldiers are wearing Nazi stuff?
Weak
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:06 pm to notiger1997
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Weak
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I saw an article posted by the NYT but it’s behind a pay wall and I haven’t renewed my subscription yet this month.
I figured outside of the NYT that this thread is probably the most informed place on the internet regarding the war and that a topic like this was discussed.
I just didn’t want to scroll back considering the dam news is making its rounds.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:10 pm to Blitzed
its because ukraine is overran with nazis who live in their underground salt mines
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:13 pm to CitizenK
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Gen Breedlove former supreme commander of forces in Europe for NATO, and also degreed civil engineer said that Russian had to have been massing explosives for a sometime and blew it for this to happen as it did.
Breedlove laid it bare on Biden and his crew and their continued reluctance to provide Ukraine with the weapons that they need to win this. Their delayed reaction continues to prolong this and costs lives. Petraeus and Hodges say the same thing.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:18 pm to WestCoastAg
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its because ukraine is overran with nazis who live in their underground salt mines
I refuse to believe that it’s overran with Nazis but you know if I’m going to continue to support the Ukraine in this war…I need to know if by doing so I’m supporting far right nazi extremism.
I know some far right conspiracy conservatives here were talking about nazis in Ukraine a while back and I just of course I would never believe such a foolish thing…and I would always run here and a lot of you guys in this thread would debunk it…and I would feel better because my feeling on the topic were being validated by people who were in the know.
I just want my feelings to be validated again.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:18 pm to AU86
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Damage to the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam in the early hours of June 6 caused massive flooding of the Dnipro River delta, river wetlands, estuaries, and shoreline settlements in Kherson Oblast.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Ukrainian officials stated that the drop in the water level at the Kakhovka Reservoir should not affect the safety of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).
Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces intentionally destroyed the KHPP dam and suggested that the Russian military did not prepare for subsequent flooding.
Russian officials accused Ukrainian forces of destroying the KHPP dam and used the allegations to bolster ongoing efforts to portray Ukrainian assaults elsewhere in Ukraine as immediate failures.
ISW has not yet observed clear evidence of what transpired at the KHPP on June 6 and is therefore unable to offer an independent assessment of responsibility at the time of this publication.
Russian forces conducted another large-scale missile strike across Ukraine on the night of June 5-6.
Russian sources claimed that the pro-Ukrainian all-Russian Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and the Freedom of Russian Legion (LSR) are gone from a border settlement in Belgorod Oblast as of June 6.
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continued to directly threaten the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and the Russian military command if they do not fulfill his demands for a larger independent army and political influence in Russia.
Ukrainian officials offered assurances that the damage to the dam and subsequent flooding will not impede Ukrainian counteroffensive preparations.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks north and southwest of Bakhmut, and Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Avdiivka-Donetsk line.
Ukrainian forces continued ground attacks in southwestern Donetsk and in eastern Zaporizhia oblasts.
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed that the Russian 72nd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade is part of the irregular 6th Division.
Russian officials and occupation authorities continue efforts to use infrastructure projects to integrate occupied territories into Russia.
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