re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

I know. Take notes

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No, I don’t believe Russia a single bit. I’ve said as much many times in this thread. I also don’t believe that every building that gets bombed by Russia is a full of a bunch of helpless civilians. You and many of the other regulars in this thread fall for Ukrainian propaganda just as hard as the poliboard falls for Russian propaganda. You’re all too emotionally invested to see anything clearly.

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i have seen enough media over the years (since watching Gulf War I in high school) to know not all targets hit are powered milk factories or troop barracks. same target will have each side claiming different target functions.

I also know that both sides are likely putting military assets in or close to non-military targets. also, munitions can miss their mark or be partially intercepted and hit non-targeted infrastructure.

neither side is going to give a true reporting of losses (just like head coaches wont give a full injury report) and both side will embellish on the losses of their opponent. some is due to fog of war and some is due to taking the more favorable of KIA vs WIA and/or taking the more favorable number of the range of enemy causalities given in after action reports.

Another big issues in today's information space, is video and claims come out and are spread around before a true reporting of an incident can be portrayed. Just like in political campaigns, getting your message out before you opponent sets the narrative, even if the narrative is wrong.

because of this you cant jump on the first reporting that comes out and appears to be favorable to your side. and then turn around and play the gotcha game when they think they have info that proves their case. eventually a better picture comes out and the initial report is not always right.

First off I don’t fall for any propaganda on either side. I was an officer in the military, I saw firsthand how much of a shitshow things can be for our military which is the best in the world, much less for what I know is possible for Russia (who are known liars) and Ukraine. Secondly, the only thing I’m emotionally invested in is my family, friends and my dog. Especially the dog.

Perhaps you should go to your safe space and have a little cry. Maybe you will feel better.

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Has Ukraine ever admitted to its own losses? It’s against their policy pretty sure. And isn’t it illegal to photograph Ukrainian military positions?

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This is the post you responded to. The answer to both of those questions is yes. I was replying to you saying that we would know if a patriot battery was hit. It’s the policy of Ukraine not to report on losses and it’s illegal to photograph or video Ukrainian military positions. You then went on crying about me believing all Russian propaganda, despite the fact that I’ve said many times in this thread that I don’t.

The simple fact is that we won’t know what the Russians hit because the Ukrainians won’t say and the Russians will probably lie about it. There’s also no reason to believe that 90+% of incoming missiles and drones are being downed. It’s probably a pretty healthy majority but 90% is just ridiculous.

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There’s also no reason to believe that 90+% of incoming missiles and drones are being downed. It’s probably a pretty healthy majority but 90% is just ridiculous.

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i would think the target of the attack and they type of munition would greatly effect the shoot down rate.

Kyiv has the best AD in the Ukrain due to obvious reasons. so attacks with cruise missiles launched form the caspian sea have plenty of time to be tracked, targeted, and intercepted. Also, drones are slow moving and can be targeted with small arms/light AA. Balistic missiles by definition have a balistic arch that allows for early trackign but also travel at faster speeds. Kyiv AD is better protected from this type of attack which other areas are not..

targets in Odessa, Kherston, Kharkiv dont have the AD protection and are closer to the front/coast and have less time to react. and military targets outside cities along the front have even less of a chance to defend against these attacks.

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to know not all targets hit are powered milk factories or troop barracks.

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How do you know that everything in a building is a milk factory? Short answer, you don't, just like that fraud of a reporter, Sy Hersh, didn't.

I am curious what the US strategy is for air defense in a situation like this. Do we run a zone defense, or do we start targeting anything in range.

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I sure as shite said that if a Patriot were hit that it wouldn’t be able to be covered up and that it would be public knowledge in short order regardless if Ukraine wanted to cover it up.

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And I’m saying we wouldn’t. Not sure how you’re not following.

Not sure what you’re not following. When a piece of one of the Patriot’s launchers was damaged last week did it get covered up? No the entire world knew it within 24 hours. If one was completely blown up what makes you think that doesn’t get out when just a very small amount of damage to just one piece of the battery being damaged got out in hours. It’s hard to keep secrets when everyone has a phone with a video camera that can post to the internet immediately and that’s before the Russians just saying whatever they want wether it’s the truth or not.