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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:25 pm to
Incredible footage from Bakhmut shows the last remaining section held by Ukraine under an intense artillery barrage.

Video at link
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1659030566136676352
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:33 pm to
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France wants Putin to be able to have an off ramp


The problem is that Putin blows up every off ramp that the West gives him. We have to first make him want an off-ramp. And that's when things get interesting from a geopolitical point of view.

But NATO and friends have to keep giving Ukraine weapons until Putin wants that ramp. And the problem for him now is that it's likely too late, because we are making Ukraine so powerful that it's going to hard to get them to stop and agree to some deal that Macron, et al would like to see.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:46 pm to
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Those CV90 IFVs are bad arse, some versions fire programable ammo where the gunner can choose what he needs based on the target.


Everything I read tells me that they are right up there with Bradleys as the best IFVs in the world.

quote:

The Archer artillery system is one the best systems in the world.


Probably THE best SPG in the world. Works like the Caesar and has that same very long range, but Caesar operators have to get out of the vehicle, and Archer operators do not.

Yeah, I can see why Ukraine would delay the offensive a week to get that brigade ready. But I think that Ukraine is using the time to get a couple other brigades ready as well.

@noclador

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Ukrainian offensive is a bit delayed... as the ground in the East isn't fully dry yet and the Dnipro is still in the snow melt flood phase.

Ukraine is using the time to raise three more mechanized brigades and one additional pontoon bridge regiment.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:47 pm to
Actually, the Dnipro River is very high right now, maybe three feet higher than normal. That would make a pontoon crossing a little harder.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:50 pm to
Suriyak (pro-Russian)

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Situation at Bakhmut:
#RussianArmy took control over the remaining areas south of Yuvileina street after #UkrainianArmy withdrew towards southern positions. Now only 0,6 sq Km of the city remains under Ukrainian control while Russians now controls 99% of it.



Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:53 pm to
I would think this could push up the timeline of the offensive. When Bakhmut falls in the next couple of days, Russia can start to relocate some of the combat power they have there to other thin spots on the line.

Will Ukraine move before that happens?
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:06 pm to
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Will Ukraine move before that happens?


Seems like Ukraine would still want to use a small force to push back on the flanks
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38444 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:20 pm to
Looks like Ukraine possibly shot down another Russian jet. Haven’t been able to find any reliable confirmation.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:22 pm to
The worst place on earth right now has to be as a Ukrainian soldier in the last .6km held inside Bakhmut
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:36 pm to
I hope they pulled those guys out during the night. No reason to sacrifice anymore. Russia is finally going to capture Bakhmut. It only took them almost a year.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:38 pm to
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Russia is finally going to capture Bakhmu


Wouldn't it be a little ironic if Ukraine then encircles Bakhmut. Not sure if they can pull it off but yeah
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38444 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:41 pm to
As shitty as this sounds, I’d think whoever is left inside Bakhmut right now are soldiers Ukraine essentially sees as cannon fodder. No way they’d leave any unit worth a shite inside that city.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:59 pm to
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Pathetic. This gang of incompetent fools is not good at anything. Worthless. Maybe the Brits, Poles and Baltic States can ship the Biden Administration a set of balls.

The only way to end this war is to give Ukraine what it needs to achieve it's goals. Russia must be defeated, They are never going to quit until they are forced to. These weapons should have been there months ago. By delaying only prolongs the fight and more people are killed. I have said for months that this administration does not want to see a total Ukrainian victory. You want to end the war? Send Ukraine what it needs for achieving it's goals. What is the sense in sending the billions that we have if you are not willing to send what is needed for victory?


I see two explanations, neither good:

1. For some nefarious reason they want the war to continue longer term
2. Chinese handshake deal. They’re afraid of China and how they may supply the Russians which makes keeping up supplies of things like artillery to Ukraine harder. Handshake deal not to push too hard to keep China “neutral”
Posted by FlintEastwood
Member since Apr 2023
74 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:11 pm to
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1. For some nefarious reason they want the war to continue longer term


It has been their strategy for the last 50+ years, nothing is going to change.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:41 pm to
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I see two explanations, neither good:

1. For some nefarious reason they want the war to continue longer term
2. Chinese handshake deal. They’re afraid of China and how they may supply the Russians which makes keeping up supplies of things like artillery to Ukraine harder. Handshake deal not to push too hard to keep China “neutral”


I agree. I had thought of those two reasons myself.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5896 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:55 pm to
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2. Chinese handshake deal. They’re afraid of China and how they may supply the Russians which makes keeping up supplies of things like artillery to Ukraine harder. Handshake deal not to push too hard to keep China “neutral”


China is many things, but one thing they aren’t going to do is engage in a conflict with the west, proxy or otherwise, they won’t win. They are very cautious.

The best way to keep China “neutral” is to make Russia a hopeless bet. Do that, and it won’t matter what handshakes were made early on.

To that end this spring (now summer?) offensive is just so important. If Ukraine is successful China isn’t going to stick its neck out to keep Russia afloat no matter what the west delivers.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:53 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways

A Ukrainian official stated that Russian forces have concentrated most of their available reserves to the Bakhmut area and slowed Ukrainian counterattacks in the past 24 hours.

Ukrainian counterattacks near Bakhmut have notably likely eliminated the threat of a Russian encirclement of Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut and forced Russian troops to allocate scarce military resources to defend against a limited and localized offensive effort, as Ukrainian command likely intended.

Russian forces conducted another series of drone and missile strikes across Ukraine on the night of May 18 to 19.

President Joe Biden reportedly informed G7 leaders on May 19 that Washington will support a joint effort to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s and other fourth generation aircraft.

The Kremlin reportedly spent 3.1 trillion rubles (approximately $38.7 billion) in an undisclosed section of the Russian budget in 2023, likely to on fund the war and maintain occupied territories in Ukraine.

Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin announced that he will run for reelection as a member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s United Russia Party for the first time, prompting criticism from select Russian ultranationalists.

A Ukrainian source reported that elements of two brigades of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (GRU) have deployed to border areas of Kursk Oblast in order to conduct counter-sabotage activities and provocations.

Russian sources claimed that Russian troops continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line.

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks in the Bakhmut area and slightly increased their tempo of ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces are preparing defenses by flooding fields in Russian occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev claimed that the Russian military has recruited 117,400 contract personnel in volunteer formations since January 1, 2023.

The Russian State Duma adopted the final reading of a draft law authorizing regional elections under martial law.


Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:11 pm to
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What a beautiful day today! Just pinned my middle son to CPT at Ft Sill, OK (the Artillery Center For Excellence). He is deployed with the 101 to Poland (he is Romania) but attending a fire control course here at Sill. Got to spend two weeks with him

Congratulations to your son.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2688 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:13 pm to
This is an interesting article about how the Russians are evolving their tactics. I don't recognize the source but the article seems legit.

Rusi.org

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An overview of Russian adaptation reveals a force that is able to improve and evolve its employment of key systems. There is evidence of a centralised process for identifying shortcomings in employment and the development of mitigations. Nevertheless, much of this adaptation is reactive and is aimed at making up for serious deficiencies in Russian units. The result is a structure that becomes better over time at managing the problems it immediately faces, but also one that struggles to anticipate new threats. The conclusion therefore is that the Russian Armed Forces pose a significant challenge for the Ukrainian military on the defence. Nevertheless, if Ukraine can disrupt Russian defences and impose a dynamic situation on them, Russian units are likely to rapidly lose their coordination. Changes in the air combat environment, for example, have led rapidly to incidents of Russian fratricide.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:17 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

1. For some nefarious reason they want the war to continue longer term
2. Chinese handshake deal. They’re afraid of China and how they may supply the Russians which makes keeping up supplies of things like artillery to Ukraine harder. Handshake deal not to push too hard to keep China “neutral”


3) They are scared of Russia collapsing into a civil war that ends up putting nukes into the hands of random warlords.
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