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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:59 am to OutsideObserver
Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:59 am to OutsideObserver
Also the Russian airforce seems to be having a bad day.
Various reports, noted in this Noelreports thread of up to 4 different aviation misfortunes today including a SU-34, a MI-8 and a "lost" SU-25.
Twitter- @NOELreports
Edit: Update
Faytuks News is now reporting that a large Russian telegram channel is claiming the following
Twitter - @Faytuks
Various reports, noted in this Noelreports thread of up to 4 different aviation misfortunes today including a SU-34, a MI-8 and a "lost" SU-25.
Twitter- @NOELreports
Edit: Update
Faytuks News is now reporting that a large Russian telegram channel is claiming the following
Twitter - @Faytuks
quote:
Big Russian telegram channel: "To cut off rumors. Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34 were shot down in Bryansk region. We will avenge everyone, we will kill everyone"
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 7:05 am
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:01 am to StormyMcMan
I beat you on the Swiss stuff but you beat me on the missing planes 
Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:05 am to StormyMcMan
We’ll see if they end up being right, but with the recent massive increase in Western appetite to arm Ukraine, it’s clear to me that the West currently believes Ukraine has a serious chance at a knock out blow in the short to mid term and have decided they want to be able to say they contributed to the winning side.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:12 am to OutsideObserver
That's an expensive day
Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:12 am to OutsideObserver
quote:
Also the Russian airforce seems to be having a bad day.
Speculation is that its friendly fire. Could be a second order effect of Storm Shadow strikes.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:02 am to OutsideObserver
quote:
Switzerland gives greenlight for armaments deliveries to Ukraine
Not immediately. Something else that I read indicated that the changes still have to be approved by a national referendum.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:14 am to OutsideObserver
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"To cut off rumors. Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34 were shot down in Bryansk region. We will avenge everyone, we will kill everyone"
Yeah, something is up. Reports are saying that everything was shot down with MANPADS, and the belief is that Ukrainian SOF infiltrated from across the border and shot the aircraft down.
I think that seems likely. I could believe that one or two aircraft were victims of friendly fire. It's very hard to believe that friendly fire shot down four aircraft in the same area on the same day.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:14 am to OutsideObserver
quote:Andrei, you “lost” another Frogfoot?
Various reports, noted in this Noelreports thread of up to 4 different aviation misfortunes today including a SU-34, a MI-8 and a "lost" SU-25.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:22 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Yeah, something is up. Reports are saying that everything was shot down with MANPADS, and the belief is that Ukrainian SOF infiltrated from across the border and shot the aircraft down.
I think that seems likely. I could believe that one or two aircraft were victims of friendly fire. It's very hard to believe that friendly fire shot down four aircraft in the same area on the same day.
Other people think that Ukraine pushed a Patriot system up close to the border and that it shot all four down. That also seems plausible.
I do not believe that four Russian aircraft were shot down in the same area on the same day by friendly fire.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:23 am to soccerfüt
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1657367862284042240
In the comments
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/status/1657362337626484736
ETA: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1657375376601956353
Airborne jamming helicopter???
quote:
??Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course. The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already)
In the comments
https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/status/1657362337626484736
quote:
“According to an army source based in Klintsy, one of the helicopters was carrying officers from two artillery brigades and inspectors from the group headquarters who were flying to inspect the location of artillery units. There is no confirmation of this information yet.”
ETA: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1657375376601956353
quote:
Russian losses: 2 Mi-8 helicopters (possibly an airborne jamming type) 1 SU-34 two-seater fighter-bomber 1 SU-35 modern ultra-maneuverable fighter
Airborne jamming helicopter???
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:34 am to Chromdome35
If Ukraine shot those down, that’s an insanely successful day and has to make Russian pilots pucker even more.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:39 am to GOP_Tiger
For Russian morale, either panic from friendly fire, SOF units with MANPADS, or the weird idea of a Patriot battery, has to strike fear. Any idea of being invincible, tarnished over a year ago, is now gone.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:14 am to CitizenK
With all the news the past few days, we are definitely seeing a change in Ukrainian tactics.
1) longe range attacks (command & control and/or supplies/staging?)
2) localized offensive attacks/gains in bakhmut area
3) Russia aviation losses (command or counter measure destroyed?)
4) increase in information space “warfare”
5) announcement of new weapon systems/and use of undisclosed weapon systems reported (counter measure drone coupled with long range strike)
Sounds like we are seeing the early phases of a counter operation. Russia is chasing ghosts and the milblog community is ar high anxiety right now.
1) longe range attacks (command & control and/or supplies/staging?)
2) localized offensive attacks/gains in bakhmut area
3) Russia aviation losses (command or counter measure destroyed?)
4) increase in information space “warfare”
5) announcement of new weapon systems/and use of undisclosed weapon systems reported (counter measure drone coupled with long range strike)
Sounds like we are seeing the early phases of a counter operation. Russia is chasing ghosts and the milblog community is ar high anxiety right now.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:20 am to GOP_Tiger
I think that the Jack Teixeira story is now firmly in the realm of the Poliboard, as there's no longer any real impact on this conflict, and I'm not going to discuss it in depth, but there's a long profile story in today's Washington Post, complete with videos of him doing stuff like cursing n*****s while shooting his rifle. It's the Post, so of course the story has a left-wing bias, but the basic facts here are obvious.
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:21 am to tigeraddict
Its shaping operations.
True counter offensive hasnt started yet, but the groundwork is being laid
True counter offensive hasnt started yet, but the groundwork is being laid
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:28 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
the younger senior commanders believing in western doctrine.
This group is winning but it takes awhile to weed out the old guard.
quote:
making structural changes
If you have ever done any training or war gaming/war fighter with a foreign army you can see how badly they want what we have.
The Egyptians would show up an hour early for MDMP...and everyday there were more showing up even if they had no role in the exercise, they just wanted to see the sausage getting made.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:32 am to Chromdome35
quote:
Airborne jamming helicopter???
Russia does indeed have EW rotor wing aircraft and they are on the MI-8 airframe.
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:36 am to LSUnation78
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Its shaping operations.
Setting conditions
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:38 am to GOP_Tiger
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I think that the Jack Teixeira story is now firmly in the realm of the Poliboard
They are too dumb to understand that no real intelligence was leaked that wasn't already known to the public who have actually paid attention AND has a brain
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:59 am to Lakeboy7
Shaping conditions
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