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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:46 am to
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:46 am to
120 mortar is a beast. I know they have them as I’ve seen them in use in videos but in what amount I couldn’t say. You’d think with the USMC ditching them that they would have plenty to send but who really knows. I would venture to say they have a good many though as every aid package for the last few months always includes mortar rounds. How many are 60, 81 or 120 mm is the real question.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:50 am to
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Strelkov (Girkin) throws shite on everyone



All this infighting will do nothing but make it easier for the Ukrainians to push them out. Don't know who's left,right, or in the rear? Isn't that elementary level military academy stuff?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:50 am to
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I thought for sure that one of the requirements for the M777 when it was being developed was to be able to be towed by the Humvee. I know it’s much lighter than the old M198’s. Either way it doesn’t really matter. It looks like a healthy portion of them have already been destroyed or damaged.


That’s why I speculated the Himvee might technically be able to tow the M777. But even if it can, there’s still the matter of ammunition and powder which, just from a room standpoint, not to mention weight, the Humvee would not be suitable for.
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:51 am to
The M777s are mostly made to be towed by the FMTV trucks, the same truck that the HIMARS is fitted to. The Humvee is a tough son of a bitch but just not quite big enough to pack the 777.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:53 am to
Oryx has 50 out of 130 we've provided as destroyed. So they still have around 80 of them.

We probably won't know the truth until after the war ends.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:54 am to
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This is my list of sources on Twitter for news on the war.

Holy smokes. You are organized.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:54 am to
An uparmored can barely propel itself down the road, forget towing anything.
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:56 am to
The last package included artillery systems but didn’t specify which system that would be. I’ve wondered why they didn’t send older M198s if they had any that could be brought back to service to save the M777s for our own army but maybe they just sent more 105 mm guns. I can’t see them sending too many more 777s. We just don’t have that many to send more than what we already did with the 130 or so that we gave Ukraine.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:04 pm to
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The Russian MOD says 57 have been destroyed, Oryx has 8 documented as destroyed.


I got my number from Oryx. Am I reading it wrong?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:08 pm to
You are correct, I evidently looked at old data. Thank you. I will change my post.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:09 pm to
Meduza (independent Russian outlet now reporting from Latvia)

Meduza’s sources say the Kremlin is losing patience with Evgeny Prigozhin’s outbursts

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Sources close to the Putin administration have told Meduza that Kremlin officials view Prigozhin’s statements about the Russian Defense Ministry as a “serious threat.” One source said that Prigozhin is currently acting “not as part of the same team and not out of the same interests” as the Russian authorities.

“He has his own project, Bakhmut, and he’s currently doing everything for its sake. But that’s a personal project, aimed at giving him more influence over the Defense Ministry, so that Wagner becomes the main force behind the victory,” said the source.

Prigozhin’s statement about the “happy grandpa” was received even more negatively in the Kremlin, according to the source. “He can say later on, of course, that he was talking about [Defense Minister Sergey] Shoigu or some theoretical layman, but we know what conclusions people will draw,” he said. One source believes that Prigozhin was indeed talking about Putin, but another said that the statement can’t be considered a “direct attack” on the president.

Meduza’s sources close to the Putin administration said Prigozhin’s behavior may be linked to a “personal promise” he made to Vladimir Putin that Wagner Group would capture Bakhmut by a certain date. The sources don’t know exactly when this date would be, but they speculated that Prigozhin might be “missing the deadline” and is nervous as a result. The Ukrainian military previously reported that pro-Russian forces hoped to take control of Bakhmut by May 9 (which they failed to do).

“Because of this personal promise, he’s throwing the regular troops under the bus and making provocative statements. It’s unconventional behavior,” one source said. Multiple sources told Meduza that Prigozhin has crossed a “red line” with his statements.

According to the sources, the paramilitary cartel leader’s actions could get him into serious trouble, his close links to Russia’s top leadership notwithstanding. His “protectors,” the sources told Meduza, include Russian National Guard Director Viktor Zolotov as well as Tula Governor and former Putin bodyguard Alexey Dyumin. Until recently, billionaire and longtime Putin ally Yury Kovalchuk also counted himself among Prigozhin’s defenders, but according to Meduza’s sources, he’s begun distancing himself from the Wagner Group founder.
Posted by jfan244888
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:22 pm to
Yep. Apparently he is a marked man by MoD according to him if he leaves Bahkmut. Siap YouTube vid from earlier today. LINK

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:57 pm to
With the counteroffensive likely coming soon, does anyone want to irresponsibly speculate with some wild predictions? I do.

My guess is that the new mechanized brigades and "offensive guard" brigades will have some spread across the front lines. In other words, at least one mech brigade will attack in the area of Kreminna north to the border, and another one will strike somewhere in the area from Bakhmut down to Avdiivka/Marinka.

These are essentially diversionary/fixing attacks. But don't forget that the Kharkiv offensive started out as a diversionary attack and ended up being the greatest success Ukraine has had in this war. If one of these attains a breakthrough, reserve forces could still be poured through to exploit it.

Indeed, I will expect Ukrainian units all along the front to attack at the beginning, to induce maximum confusion.

What will soon seem to be the "main attack" will happen in Zaporizhzhia Oblast as a push towards Berdyansk. Ukraine would have to attack uphill in part of this area, but the Russian defenses are lighter.

Then, after a week, when the Russian command has committed its reserves to that area, Ukraine pushes its 100 Rosomaks across the Dnipro. The obvious crossings are at Kakhovka and at the Antinovsky Bridge in Kherson, but that's where Russia will be anticipating the crossing, so I think it happens further east, at somewhere like Dudchany.

Then, a pontoon bridge is erected, and Ukraine makes what really turns out to be the main push: straight for Crimea.

Crimea, right now, is not heavily defended. If Storm Shadown blows up Kerch, then Russia will be unable to get significant reinforcements there quickly. The same 100 Rosomaks that forded the Dnipro can ford the Syvash lagoons and create a pincer on either Perekop or Chonhar.

I don't think that Ukraine is going to play a "safe" offensive. I think that they are planning big. Doesn't mean that it will work, but I don't think that they will do what everyone expects.

Anyway, if I were Zaluzhny, that's what my plan would be. What's yours?
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:30 pm to
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Crimea, right now, is not heavily defended

What makes you say this? Seriously asking because I've seen significant defenses built up in Crimea on @warmapper and a couple other satellite Twitter feeds I follow.

The first couple of articles that come up when Googling Russian defenses in Crimea show satellite photos of heavy fortifications taking place over the past 5 months. Especially after Zelensky made such public comments about taking back Crimea a month or so ago.
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Sergei Aksyonov told reporters that Russian forces in Crimea had built "modern, in-depth defenses" and had "more than enough" troops and equipment to repel a possible Ukrainian assault after 13 months of war following Russia's full-scale invasion.

"We cannot underestimate the enemy, but we can definitely say that we are ready (for an attack) and that there will be no catastrophe," he said.

His comments came days after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reaffirmed Kyiv's intention to take back the Black Sea peninsula that Russia illegally annexed from Ukraine in 2014.




Plus, there's only so many ways to get into Crimea (which I understand works both ways). I don't see Ukraine pulling off a massive amphibious landing from the sea, so Russia basically has to defend two points and hope their missile defense is up to the task at Kerch.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:30 pm to
IMO, i think a main offensive east of Tokmak would achieve the type of victory Ukraine needs.

1) it cuts the land bridge.
2) tokmak is a hub with respect to roads and has a major east west rail line
3) it a point of longest supply lines from the east and from the south.
4) enough of a push will put the ports at Meriupol and Berdyans'k in artillery range, taking away the Azov sea
5) it would force russia to pull back from left bank (east bank) and Melitopol back to Crimea
60 ukraine will be able to both threaten Crimea with a smaller force and then relocate troop to a now mostly eastern front.

key will be to hold russia troops in the east and keep forces positioned on the left bank to defend a possible river crossing (think amphibious landing fake from Gulf War I)

to me this is the most straight forward plan of attack, but it may alos be how russia sees it as well. what i see as overriding, is russia feels it would lose the most in the east if there was a breakthrough then in the south, and i feel that is where they will concentrate forces. Karkiv offensive routed them last year, and if not for such a great distance and Ukraine having to regroup/supply they feared a route back to pre 2022 lines in the east.

Ukriane will continue to take out LOC, atrillery, and air defenses and will soon start sending probing and recon in force attacks to look for weaknesses/pin down reserves. i agree they will have their forces spread in multiple locations but i believe the bulk with be in the south.

...then again, i do not have access to the intel nor do i have access to the US war gaming data....

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:45 pm to
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What makes you say this? Seriously asking because I've seen significant defenses built up in Crimea on @warmapper and a couple other satellite Twitter feeds I follow.



They have some trenches, but there are only about 10,000 Russian troops in Crimea at present. Certainly, if Ukraine were to cross the Dnipro, many of the 20,000 Russian troops in southern Kherson Oblast would fall back to Crimea, but it would still not be heavily defended.

And northern Crimea is flat, without cover.

quote:

Plus, there's only so many ways to get into Crimea (which I understand works both ways). I don't see Ukraine pulling off a massive amphibious landing from the sea, so Russia basically has to defend two points and hope their missile defense is up to the task at Kerch.


There are only two main entryways into Crimea: at Perekop and at Chonhar. The area in between is known as the Syvash lagoons. The Rosomaks can certainly cross the lagoons, and the lagoons can be bridged (it's been done).

This is just my take, but I think Ukraine wants Crimea NOW, because if they get in and take some of it, then they won't have to worry about the Scholzes and Macrons of the world pushing them to make a deal that leaves Crimea in Russian hands.

And a successful Ukrainian invasion of Crimea might cause a coup in Moscow, and the resulting chaos in Russia would give Ukraine the opportunity to push back to the 1991 borders.

That's why I expect to see an attempt at a major Dnipro River crossing, followed by an immediate push toward Crimea. It's Ukraine's best shot to win the war this year. Every other plan involves another year or two of fighting, along with increasing political pressure to just go ahead and make a deal already.

If the Ukrainians have Storm Shadow, they could knock out Kerch, Sevastopol, and Saki and leave Russia no easy way to supply troops along the Crimean border. Those guys would die of thirst in a week, to say nothing of the lack of fuel and ammo. They wouldn't be able to hold their positions.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 1:59 pm to
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They have some trenches, but there are only about 10,000 Russian troops in Crimea at present

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just hadn't seen any concrete numbers of Russian forces there, but they have more than trenches. They've built up layered defenses and a expanded a couple of bases (maybe what we Americans would call a post or COP). A few of them have been expanded significantly since January according to satellite photos.
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This is just my take, but I think Ukraine wants Crimea NOW,

Like I said, Zelensky said as much last month in Stuttgart. And I believe that is the ultimate goal. But I also think they want to see how far they can push their successes on the battlefield before they sit down to negotiate. Why wouldn't they? Unless it becomes a meat grinder that just isn't worth the squeeze and they can win elsewhere and then sit down and concede only the one thing they had already lost 8 years ago.

I'm just trying to not get too optimistic about what's to come. I think they should absolutely try and take back Crimea, I just am not as optimistic as some seem to be in thinking it will be another route like Kharkiv or Izyum and Lyman. Crimea is THE thing Russia really wants.


ETA: Not sure why the immediate downvotes for me and you discussing this lol
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:12 pm to
We called up individual unit commanders in both wars with Iraq and cut deals with them if they moved or didn't reinforce. I wouldn't be shocked if that isn't already happening and dictates where attack might be..
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:14 pm to
This is what I think it could look like

Ukraine feints in the east, and attacks in the south towards Crimea, while blocking a flanking attack coming out of the Donetsk region.


There is another option that hasn't been discussed and that would be to attack in the East and try to cut the supply lines that are serving both Crimea and the Donbass.

If Ukraine could sever the logistics lines going south towards Rostov on Don, then they cut off the entirety of the Russian forces in the Donbass region and Crimea along with the Russian forces south of Kherson.

Once the supply lines were interdicted, then they could attack south across the Dnipro and hit Crimea from the landbridge. Russia could still supply, but would have to route much further to the east.

Keep in mind that the German Defense Minister said recently that it was ok if Ukraine attacked Russian soil directly.
https://kyivindependent.com/german-defense-minister-says-it-is-normal-for-ukraine-to/
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German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has supported the idea of "limited encroachments" onto Russian territory, such as blocking supply routes, Zeit Online reported on April 21.

Given the circumstances of the war it is "completely normal for (Ukraine) to move into enemy territory, for example, to block supply routes," Pistorius said, as quoted by Zeit.


This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:27 pm to
I wouldn’t even want to begin to guess what their plan is because if I’m being honest I don’t think Ukraine even has decided on a concrete plan of attack yet. I really think they have gathered all these engineering vehicles and bridge layers to pull Russia’s focus away and concentrate on river crossings. In the end they may never even use these systems. The beauty of having a mobile army that understands combined arms tactics is that they can be flexible. Whatever happens I think will happen in a 2 pronged attack on two different fronts. They could make an all out dash to cut Crimea and reach the Azov or they could end up using that as a disguise and attack in force from the north. They have to take ground whatever they do to show the world that all the military help is being put to good use. Wherever they can have the best chance for a breakthrough and to get behind Russian lines is what they will do.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 2:35 pm
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