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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:30 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:30 am to
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Stidham8


Has the front collapsed yet?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13315 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:43 am to
Your last sage prediction on the Bakhmut situation. Three months ago:

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Russia is on the brink of breaking through Ukraine's strongest defense lines in the Donbas. Once Bakhmut falls, their 70km Donbas defense line that they started building up in 2014 will have a huge hole in it.


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russia mobilized 150,000 soldiers in the fall and everything is pointing to a major spring offensive


It was actually about 350,000 soldiers that got mobilized last fall.

When can we expect that big Russian offensive?
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 9:09 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15672 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:04 am to
Chevron, Exxon and Shell has agreements before the 2014 invasion to develop, each had an entire basin.

Tight shale formations in these three area. Shell had Donbass, Exxon had a basin west of the Dnipro and Chevron coast (including Crimea) and offshore.

Name one oil/gas field owned by Halliburton? It's a services company.
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 9:06 am
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16308 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:08 am to
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For the we will get nothing in return crowd. As expected, this would open beneficial business


Everyone knew that some companies would profit tremendously at the expense of tax payer paid for war. The fact that you thought this was something that helped your cause shows a tremendous lack of intellect.

It's Def cheaper for the captains of industry to get the tax payer to foot the bill in both dollars and blood in these forever wars of conquest.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5895 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:11 am to
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He’s due to return any moment to falsely tell us the Russians not sending Germany gas is why they’re restarting coal plants to keep warm.


We’ll see how long western solidarity lasts when Euros are melting in the summer heat with no ice makers or AC!!!!!!!!
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10330 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:38 am to
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When can we expect that big Russian offensive?


There might not be one. Methodically draining Ukraine’s inferior numbers seems to be the play at the moment. Behind the scenes they continue mobilizing hundreds of thousands.

The chess board is slowly becoming tilted in Russia’s favor.
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 9:39 am
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13315 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:45 am to
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Methodically draining Ukraine’s inferior numbers seems to be the play at the moment.


OK so ignoring your past declarations and predictions for the moment.

You're saying the Russian strategy is what? To engage in a costly war of attrition that bleeds both sides?

But you think that Russia is able to commit more resources to this fight in the medium and long term? And that Russia can and will feed the battlefield with more and better weapons, men and material?

And that the western tanks, artillery, missiles, and fighter jets will not be enough?

Because the last time we did this in the 80s the USSR bled out and died.

And this time the combined allied economy (USA and EU) has grown by about 20x. And the Russian economy in that time has grown by about 3x.

And you think Russia can win a protracted war of attrition by throwing in more material? All the while being cut off from the world economy?

I would honestly love to hear how you see this playing out. I've got time. Go ahead.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42608 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 10:54 am to
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The chess board is slowly becoming tilted in Russia’s favor.


The chess board was tilted in Russia’s favor from day one.
What happened?

Russia squandered many of their advantages, they let Ukraine hang in there, the West saw that Ukraine wasn’t going to roll over, and Western aid began to roll in in significant amounts to make a difference. Russian attempts to stop the Ukrainian bounce back were not significant.

Now we all know Russia still has the advantage, but can they use them and defeat the Ukrainians and make them sue for peace? That is still up in the air.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5895 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 11:51 am to
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I do not understand why some people are saying that this is nothing. True, it is not a real bridgehead by any means, but it enables Ukraine to put real pressure on the town of Oleshky, which has been reported to have only a low Russian presence (due to Ukrainian artillery).


I posted an article a while back about the ongoing battle to control the islands in the Dnipro. It remains to me a really fascinating theater of this war that isn’t getting a lot of coverage since kherson fell.

But if Ukraine can stage and supply an offensive force on the occupied side of Dnipro, Ukraine will sweep through the rest of kherson oblast I think and potentially be approaching melitopol from the west before they come down from the north.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 12:21 pm to
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Stidham8


Not the beetle juice we asked for, but the beetle juice we got.

On the other hand, this is a sure fire indicator the Ukrainian offensive is about to begin with great success.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 12:24 pm to
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Everyone knew that some companies would profit tremendously at the expense of tax payer paid for war. The fact that you thought this was something that helped your cause shows a tremendous lack of intellect.


The lack of intellect is your ignorance to why our support of the current war bears foreign policy fruit from the tree planted almost 80 years ago. But yes, so you can’t scream about large American companies taking advantage let’s just forgo the oil we need here at home so it’s all just some sink cost for you
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 12:25 pm to
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The chess board is slowly becoming tilted in Russia’s favor.


The chess board fell on your head
Posted by canes is too salty
Member since Apr 2023
62 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 12:30 pm to
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the last time we did this in the 80s the USSR bled out and died.


Nothing “we” (assuming by “we” you mean the US Government) did had jack shite to do with why the USSR collapsed and in fact our best and brightest in DC had no idea it was happening until it was basically over.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35918 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:04 pm to
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It's Def cheaper for the captains of industry to get the tax payer to foot the bill in both dollars and blood in these forever wars of conquest


Anyone who doesn't believe that American Taxpayers are about to spend the next twenty years nation building the frick outta Ukraine hasn't been paying attention.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299092 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:05 pm to
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Anyone who doesn't believe that American Taxpayers are about to spend the next twenty years nation building the frick outta Ukraine hasn't been paying attention.


Their Marshall Plan will be incredible.

American businessmen better be paying off the politicians now, the opportunity for grift has never been better.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13133 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:18 pm to
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American businessmen better be paying off the politicians now


It will be German investment that rebuilds Ukraine, as was done in Romania after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13315 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:19 pm to
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Nothing “we” (assuming by “we” you mean the US Government) did had jack shite to do with why the USSR collapsed and in fact our best and brightest in DC had no idea it was happening until it was basically over.


This statement is just factually incorrect. We (the USA under the foreign policy of Ronald Reagan) goaded the USSR into an arms race they couldn't afford.

The GDP of Russia is today about 1.5 Trillion USD. The GDP of the USSR was anout 2 Trillion..... in 1980!!

In the meantime the GDP of the US and the EU has grown from about 7 Trillion to about 60 Trillion.

We broke them. We broke them very intentionally. And this is important so please pay attention: We have kept them broke!

Name one part of the world whose economy has freaking gone backwards over the last 50, 30, 20, 10 years.

There's only one answer. And it wasn't a mistake.

You just simply don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15672 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:42 pm to
Of course we did, Russia couldn't bear the cost to produce its own oil and wells were shut in by 1989 so that oil production fell off the cliff to next to nothing by 1991.

It took the funding from the World Bank, and US companies to bring oil production back to what it was in 2019, which is less than 1989 in Russia.

Pre-1991, Russia's crude oil went to Eastern European nations and internally to refineries. It sold refined products far more than actual crude oil. Heck most of the refinering capacity in Ukraine were owned by Russian companies but closed in 2014, due being inefficient and too costly to operate
Posted by Troutforbreakfast
Member since Mar 2023
138 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 2:15 pm to
Where does the board conscience lay now a year into this quagmire of death and desolation?

Is a peaceful solution to set boundaries an option?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28560 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 2:21 pm to
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Where does the board conscience lay now a year into this quagmire of death and desolation?

I’m absolutely disgusted that the Russians have done this. Russia has to stop I’m all for peace and am saddened that Russia won’t end its senseless killing
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