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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/23/23 at 7:13 pm to Tigris
Posted on 4/23/23 at 7:13 pm to Tigris
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And on Chinese steel - cheap, yes. But the company I work for won't buy it because the quality control is crap, and because our customers don't want it.
Same for me. We make surgical devices and every single one of our customers has made us provide material certification for everything we sell and none of the steel can be melted in China. Been that way for years too.
I know French and German steel made an absolute killing on their steel right before the pandemic started. Then everything went through the roof, but some of the French steel was all we could find for a certain type for a long long time. But we aren't buying near as much as other bigger companies and other industries.
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Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:14 pm to upgrayedd
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To be fair, major corporations, including Citibank, are already licking their lips over Ukraine
My point is that the Russian bots obviously want it both ways. They want to say that we are:
1) Throwing away money in Ukraine
and also that we are
2) Only involved in Ukraine to enrich American companies
The trick for the bots is not to use both at the same time. If it's a question of expenditure, then they reply that we are wasting it, while if it's a question of motive, then they say that we are only involved for the money.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:30 pm to Tigris
I have bought and sold such as well, even refineries. All the drill pipe and casing used in the US is Chinese steel. Russians are a pain in the butt trying to get even mechanical drawings of things like hydrogen reformers. Sounds like that is coming from former East Germany if Russian built. I am dealing with Russians on technology they own last week and this coming week which will hopefully conclude with needed info provided this week.
I have been told a close friend who worked for Patterson that it is good steel too.
I have been told a close friend who worked for Patterson that it is good steel too.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:32 pm to canes is too salty
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Yea but probably was actually from Donbas so remains to be seen whether that will be Ukraine in the future.
Donbas was where the very heavily subsidized and inefficient coal mines are. Steel mills in a number of locations in Ukraine. In fact, 40% of industrial output of the USSR was Ukrainian.
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
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My point is that the Russian bots obviously want it both ways. They want to say that we are: 1) Throwing away money in Ukraine and also that we are 2) Only involved in Ukraine to enrich American companies The trick for the bots is not to use both at the same time. If it's a question of expenditure, then they reply that we are wasting it, while if it's a question of motive, then they say that we are only involved for the money.
Why do you think both of those can’t be true?
We’re printing money we don’t have to give it to US contractors. That’s not a wild concept. It’s a gigantic cycle.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:26 pm to upgrayedd
The US government does all kinds of things to boost American companies because they employ American workers, and because both the companies and the workers then pay taxes the federal government.
So, government actions that boost American companies are not "wasteful.". Certainly, they are not wasteful in the sense in which that argument is normally presented by the bots, which is we are simply giving money to an utterly corrupt Zelensky for him to launder.
So, again, which is it? Are we wasting money in Ukraine, or are we greedy and motivated by money?
So, government actions that boost American companies are not "wasteful.". Certainly, they are not wasteful in the sense in which that argument is normally presented by the bots, which is we are simply giving money to an utterly corrupt Zelensky for him to launder.
So, again, which is it? Are we wasting money in Ukraine, or are we greedy and motivated by money?
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:29 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
It is useful to consider the total of what Ukraine's allies are giving it:
It is useful to consider the total of what Ukraine's allies are giving it:
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If one takes a step back & looks at what is being supplied to UA, the quantities are not inconsiderable; 45 jets, 68 helis, 725 tanks, 160 AFV, 700+ IFV, 1685+ APC, 1100+ MRAP, 390+ towed arty, 440+ SPG, 100+ MRLS, 140+ SPAAG... More is needed still, but...
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:31 pm to canes is too salty
It is bad that I hope the war starts up again (because people die), but then we could ask for all the political crap to be on the correct board. But, I hope the war starts up again.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:32 pm to jeffsdad
You should go volunteer for the offensive
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:34 pm to CitizenK
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In fact, 40% of industrial output of the USSR was Ukrainian.
I don’t know why we’re surprised they want it back
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don’t know why we’re surprised they want it back
No, most of us understand what’s going on; however, some are blaming the war on greedy Americans, Nazis, bio labs, Jews and everything but Russian imperialism.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:02 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 24 April
The authorities in occupied areas of Ukraine are almost certainly coercing the population to accept Russian Federation passports. Residents in Kherson have been warned that those who have not accepted a Russian passport by 1 June 2023 will be 'deported' and their property seized.
Russia is using passports as a tool in the 'Russification' of the occupied areas, as it did in Donetsk and Luhansk before the February 2022 invasion.
Russia is likely expediating the integration of the occupied areas of Ukraine into the bureaucracy of the Russian Federation to help paint the invasion as a success, especially in the run-up to the 2024 presidential elections.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 24 April
The authorities in occupied areas of Ukraine are almost certainly coercing the population to accept Russian Federation passports. Residents in Kherson have been warned that those who have not accepted a Russian passport by 1 June 2023 will be 'deported' and their property seized.
Russia is using passports as a tool in the 'Russification' of the occupied areas, as it did in Donetsk and Luhansk before the February 2022 invasion.
Russia is likely expediating the integration of the occupied areas of Ukraine into the bureaucracy of the Russian Federation to help paint the invasion as a success, especially in the run-up to the 2024 presidential elections.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:15 am to IAmNERD
Isw update
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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on April 23:
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed that he ordered Wagner Group personnel not to capture Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) but instead only kill Ukrainian personnel on the battlefield.[169]
The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces did not conduct offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line on April 23.[170] Ukrainian Severodonetsk Raion Administration Head Roman Vlasenko reported that Russian forces are building fortifications around Severdonetsk and other large cities in Luhansk Oblast.[171]
The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian servicemen and Wagner personnel engaged in a shootout in Stanytsia Luhanska, Luhansk Oblast following a dispute about responsibility for tactical miscalculations and losses.[172]
Russian forces continue to conduct ground attacks in and around Bakhmut and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City front.[173] Ukrainian Joint Press Center of the Tavriisk Defense Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi reported on April 23 that Russian forces concentrated most of their efforts in the Avdiivka direction and conducted 28 assaults in the Donetsk direction.[174]
Geolocated footage published on April 23 indicates that Ukrainian forces are operating in areas northwest of Oleshky on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.[175] Kherson Oblast Occupation Administration Head Vladimir Saldo denied that Ukrainian forces have established a bridgehead on the east (left) bank as of April 23.[176]
The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported on April 23 that Russian forces are planning to mobilize migrants from Central Asia by threating to deport migrants and revoke their Russian citizenship if they do not fight in the war.[177]
Ukrainian Kherson Oblast Administration Advisor Serhiy Khlan stated on April 22 that Wagner Group fighters are helping Russian occupation officials assert control over the civilian population on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.[178]
A Belarusian military news outlet claimed that Belarusian forces plan to deploy Russian tactical nuclear weapons to bases where mobile launch complexes were previously located before the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from Belarus from 1993 to 1996.[179]
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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So, government actions that boost American companies are not "wasteful.". Certainly, they are not wasteful in the sense in which that argument is normally presented by the bots, which is we are simply giving money to an utterly corrupt Zelensky for him to launder.
Well, that's just nonsense. We're printing money we don't have in the middle of the highest inflationary period in at least 40 years. I don't see how it's a good thing strictly for the fact that we're givong ot to defense contractors. I'll give it to you, though. You really live up to your user name. That's the most establishment GOP line of thinking you could possibly present. Hell, you might be Lindsey Graham.
I've asked this question several times and I never get an answer form anyone here. Is there a tipping point for you when it comes to how much money you're willing to spend here? How much is too much? $500 billion? $1 trillion? $3 trillion? Because if Ukraine wins, we'll be leading the charge to rebuild the entire country and its going to cost exponentially more than the war.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:49 am to upgrayedd
Everything being spent is deficit spending, whether it is funds for local law enforcement, flood insurance, or other.
Japan has a 213% debt to GDP and isn't missing a beat and almost no inflation. Post WWII we had higher debt to GDP than today.
Japan has a 213% debt to GDP and isn't missing a beat and almost no inflation. Post WWII we had higher debt to GDP than today.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:56 am to CitizenK
WSJ:
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Russian ships are ferrying large quantities of Iranian artillery shells and other ammunition across the Caspian Sea to resupply troops fighting in Ukraine, Middle East officials said, posing a growing challenge for the U.S. and its allies as they try to disrupt cooperation between Moscow and Tehran.
Over the past six months, cargo ships have carried more than 300,000 artillery shells and a million rounds of ammunition from Iran to Russia, according to the officials and documents viewed by The Wall Street Journal. Intelligence about the shipments has been shared with the U.S., people familiar with the matter said.
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Iran has primarily used cargo planes to ship weapons to Russia, according to U.S. officials, making it all but impossible to intervene. And taking action in the Caspian Sea would require help from former Soviet republics on its coastline.
Earlier this month, Vice Adm. Brad Cooper—the head of the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet who has spearheaded multinational efforts to stop illegal shipments of weapons and drugs from Iran in the Persian Gulf—made an unannounced visit to Turkmenistan on the Caspian Sea, said Commander Tim Hawkins, a Navy spokesman. Cmdr. Hawkins said the Navy admiral discussed a range of issues, including ways to deepen their cooperation and expand maritime security. He declined to comment on any specific discussions about seizing weapons shipments in the Caspian Sea.
Officials in the Middle East said the most recent weapons shipment known to have crossed the Caspian Sea to Russia left Iran in early March aboard the Rasul Gamzatov, a 460-foot-long Russian cargo ship named after a writer famous for a poem lamenting the death of Soviet soldiers in World War II.
The ship carried 1,000 containers with 2,000 artillery shells, the officials said, a previously unreported shipment. Some other Iran-to-Russia shipments were previously reported by Sky News.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 7:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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The ship carried 1,000 containers with 2,000 artillery shells, the officials said, a previously unreported shipment. Some other Iran-to-Russia shipments were previously reported by Sky News.
This is an expensive form of transport, same issue that the US has in sending supplies to Europe, or Asia. Train to ship (for a short voyage) to train. Anytime cargo is transferred resources are used. It should be cheaper to ship from North Korea all on the same train, just load and unload. I wonder what QA/QC and dud rate is for the Iranian made shells are.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 7:52 am to CitizenK
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Everything being spent is deficit spending, whether it is funds for local law enforcement, flood insurance, or other.
Japan has a 213% debt to GDP and isn't missing a beat and almost no inflation. Post WWII we had higher debt to GDP than today.
Ok, so if we've got an infinite amount of money to spend and you're ok with it. Is there a tipping point as to how much you're willing to spend on Ukraine? If so, how much?
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