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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:10 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:10 pm to StormyMcMan
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Depends on which sources you think would provide that. The main "non-biased" source would be onyx only because it's visually confirmed losses, but it's way under reported because of that. Ukraine overstates russian losses and doesnt report its own and Russia understates its losses and way overstates Ukraines (I think they've destroyed every HIMRAS 3 times now)
The “quasi-accurate” numbers he’s looking for were shared on the PB recently. Ukraine has lost 300,000 troops and Russia has only lost 18,000. Pretty amazing huh!
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Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:40 pm to REG861
Just checking in on the war hawk thread, do y’all still believe that the US military didn’t blow Nordstream pipeline as guaranteed by some the “posters” that run this thread?
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:45 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Just checking in on the war hawk thread, do y’all still believe that the US military didn’t blow Nordstream pipeline as guaranteed by some the “posters” that run this thread?
It is likely but not 100% that we participated at some level. The parties involved bitch slapped the shite outta Russia and they just took it like a good little bitch. It is an even bigger display of their weakness than the performance of their military.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:45 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
We truely believe you should go back to political board.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:45 pm to DabosDynasty
A “road map” to NATO membership from the US is exactly what Russia would use to further their bogus claims that the US is to blame for their invasion.
Why give them something they can sell as justification for this war and plaster it all over their state media 24/7?
Why give them something they can sell as justification for this war and plaster it all over their state media 24/7?
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:51 pm to AGGIES
Because it’s in response to their aggression and our large investment in reversing it by delivering equipment and munitions over the last year. Why does this matter if Finland doesn’t? Sucks to have consequences for your actions.
I’d also ask, why say this now while it’s still going on instead of being quiet and keeping the pressure on this possibility?
I just think it’s partly a waste of efforts in the long run to not bring Ukraine in for the exact purpose we’re helping them for and they will be a future ACTIVE member of the alliance to pull their weight post-recovery unlike most of the current alliance. It also offers some protection of their resources which would benefit the west in replacing lost Russian energy and minerals.
I’d also ask, why say this now while it’s still going on instead of being quiet and keeping the pressure on this possibility?
I just think it’s partly a waste of efforts in the long run to not bring Ukraine in for the exact purpose we’re helping them for and they will be a future ACTIVE member of the alliance to pull their weight post-recovery unlike most of the current alliance. It also offers some protection of their resources which would benefit the west in replacing lost Russian energy and minerals.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:52 pm to DabosDynasty
OK well can’t it wait until after the war is over?
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:56 pm to AGGIES
Of course, that’s why I don’t understand why this is put out there at all. They should stfu, especially if they’re saying “no”. Just my opinion.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:58 pm to AGGIES
Just an interesting take from Iran on Finland joining NATO
Tehran Times
TLDR: it's all the US' fault for everything in Ukraine and why would Finland risk its security to be a pawn of the US
Tehran Times
TLDR: it's all the US' fault for everything in Ukraine and why would Finland risk its security to be a pawn of the US
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:07 pm to AGGIES
quote:how is this any different over what they would do anyway?
Why give them something they can sell as justification for this war and plaster it all over their state media 24/7?
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:07 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
I camt believe we are literally giving billions in cold hard cash for the nazis to store in the underground salt mine bio labs
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:13 pm to DabosDynasty
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Of course, that’s why I don’t understand why this is put out there at all. They should stfu, especially if they’re saying “no”. Just my opinion.
Ok, got it. I agree.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:17 pm to WestCoastAg
It’s different if Russia is lying Vs pointing to official US doctrine
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:21 pm to REG861
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The “quasi-accurate” numbers he’s looking for were shared on the PB recently. Ukraine has lost 300,000 troops and Russia has only lost 18,000. Pretty amazing huh!
And most of the Ukrainian casualties were a result of that stunning Russian breakthrough several weeks ago at Bakmuth.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:22 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Just checking in on the war hawk thread, do y’all still believe that the US military didn’t blow Nordstream pipeline as guaranteed by some the “posters” that run this thread?
I wouldn’t be surprised if we did, but it hadn’t been proven yet.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:22 pm to StormyMcMan
Finland is a disaster for Moscow. Why would they risk it…. is a great question!
They’d have to be pretty sure about how they feel if they are taking this kind of step.
Tehran blames the US for everything b/c it distracts from their domestic issues.
They’d have to be pretty sure about how they feel if they are taking this kind of step.
Tehran blames the US for everything b/c it distracts from their domestic issues.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:30 pm to doubleb
Telenko on Russian Casualties
This is an interesting analysis of Russian casualties by Trent Telenko
This is an interesting analysis of Russian casualties by Trent Telenko
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:49 pm to BRHSBulldog
problem with accurately tabulating causalities (KIA/MIA/WIA) is the fog of war and the inability to do an intensive after action study. Its a war zone, you dont have access to all battle sites due to ongoing threat.
example of causality report. Tank is hit at a distance ant erupts in flames then a few minutes later explodes. tank is estimated to have 5 occupants. were they all killed? did they have time to get out? did they get out and were wounded? can the wounded come back to fight later or were they rendered combat ineffective?
Artillery hits troops in a building/trench/embankment. assumed number of troops in impact area. were they all killed? some wounded, some no longer combat effective?
in ad after action report the participating team members are all interviewed. surviving troops give a "count" of how many the hit. assumed vs assumed killed can be off. then you have solders who didnt return form the engagement that may or may not have tallied any enemy causalities.
Typically you will see an after action report giving a range of 20-50 enemy casualties for example. thats a huge range, and doesn't differentiate between KIA/MIA/WIA. you also dont know what % of WIA later become KIA back in triage
both Russia and Ukraine want to claim the higher of the range of enemy deaths, and neither want to give they opponent a true accuracy their own losses.
example of causality report. Tank is hit at a distance ant erupts in flames then a few minutes later explodes. tank is estimated to have 5 occupants. were they all killed? did they have time to get out? did they get out and were wounded? can the wounded come back to fight later or were they rendered combat ineffective?
Artillery hits troops in a building/trench/embankment. assumed number of troops in impact area. were they all killed? some wounded, some no longer combat effective?
in ad after action report the participating team members are all interviewed. surviving troops give a "count" of how many the hit. assumed vs assumed killed can be off. then you have solders who didnt return form the engagement that may or may not have tallied any enemy causalities.
Typically you will see an after action report giving a range of 20-50 enemy casualties for example. thats a huge range, and doesn't differentiate between KIA/MIA/WIA. you also dont know what % of WIA later become KIA back in triage
both Russia and Ukraine want to claim the higher of the range of enemy deaths, and neither want to give they opponent a true accuracy their own losses.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:46 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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ThanosIsADemocrat
The US blew up Nordstream and we were right to do so.
Go cry about it.
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