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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:10 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:10 pm to Chromdome35
this is almost guaranteed to be a stupid question to ask, but I haven’t plugged in to this conflict in a long while and it’s worth a shot
is there any reasonable forecast as to when this conflict will end?
is there any reasonable forecast as to when this conflict will end?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:11 pm to Ross
Most of us who follow it think it will end this year. The upcoming spring/summer offensives are what to keep your eye on.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:11 pm to jfan244888
quote:TigerOnTheMountain
Finland has now joined NATO.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:16 pm to tigeraddict
If you’re Ukrainian, you can justify multiples in the opposite direction, 3:1 or 4:1 losses to each Russian to preserve the nation, knowing that the occupying force must maintain his dominance for years. The multiples are in the opposite direction, and Russia cannot sustain its occupancy for any long period.
It has exhausted its personnel, equipment, economy and its credibility with its remaining Allies.
Those supporting Ukraine understand the long game. It favors the occupied nation.
It has exhausted its personnel, equipment, economy and its credibility with its remaining Allies.
Those supporting Ukraine understand the long game. It favors the occupied nation.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 5:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What would we do if China sets up a defense treaty with Mexico, Canada and Cuba?
Link the defense treaty we set up with Ukraine prior to Russia invading Ukraine last year since you are suggesting this was part of Russia's impetus.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:01 pm to nitwit
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and Russia cannot sustain its occupancy for any long period.
It has exhausted its personnel, equipment, economy and its credibility with its remaining Allies
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:36 pm to Ross
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is there any reasonable forecast as to when this conflict will end?
Forecast? No. It could end as early as this fall. Or, it could go on for years.
The forecast depends on what happens, and war is inherently unpredictable. And there are just too many things that we don't know:
- What will happen if and when Russia essentially runs out of artillery shells?
- What other things might Russia run out of?
- If Russia struggles, would China change its mind and decide to provide military aid to Russia?
- Now that Ukraine is out of volunteers and relying on the draft, how many more men can Ukraine draft in a long war?
- Russia's economy is suffering, but Ukraine's economy is a disaster. How long will the US and EU prop up Ukraine's ability to stay afloat financially?
- As Ukraine develops better long-range drones that can hit deep in Russia, what will be the impact on the Russian people?
- Similarly, how would Russia cope with a significant defeat this spring?
- If Ukraine's spring offensive is unsuccessful, what kind of pressure will Macron/Scholz put on Ukraine to sue for peace?
Those are just some of the questions to which I do not know the answer.
No one can predict how the war will end. All wars are only fought because both sides think that they can win. If a country did not think that they could win, they would sue for peace.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its pretty much a Western Front style war of attrition.
It both is an isn't. The environmental conditions dictate that for a portion of the year combined arms movement is limited and it becomes a static war. Those conditions are changing and mobility is about to open back up.
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Unless Russian morale totally collapses, Ukraine will require foreign bodies.
One problem with this assessment is the lack of understanding of force multipliers. They have been pouring into Ukraine over the last few months and are ready for the offensive.
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offenses usually take higher casualties than defenses in these kind of entrenched battles. THe offensive will be brutal..
This is true but the key is to avoid fighting the entrenched enemy. This is something that was hard decades ago but it much easier now. The Russian defenses are like an egg tough at the point of contact and soft and gooey once it is pierced. The Ukrainians have been getting the material they need to breach the trenches and clear lanes in minefields. Breach those thin defensive positions and pour into the soft underbelly. This is what they did with their lightning runs last summer. Expect more of that and it to be more effective given the new equipment on the ground. Russia has hundreds of miles to defend which is an incredibly hard job when the environmental conditions are favorable for maneuver warfare.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 6:58 pm to upgrayedd
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So how long do you think this should go on and what is the metric by which you would declare a victory?
Neither side is going to get all they want when this is finally over, whether they are even able to pretend it is a victory is still hard to say.
This like every other war will go on until both sides come to the general conclusion that their own cause can not advance further by actions on the battlefield. Once war starts there is no peace until the sword is considered no longer useful.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:10 pm to Obtuse1
LINK
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Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on March 30 authorizing Russia’s semiannual spring conscription which will induct 147,000 Russians between April 1 and July 15.[1] Russia conducts two conscription cycles per year with the spring conscription cycle usually conscripting 134,000 Russian men.[2] Russia may use Belarus’ training capacity to support the increase of 13,000 conscripts from previous years. A Ukrainian military official reported on March 4 that Russian personnel training in Belarus do not exceed 9,000 to 10,000 at a time, and ISW previously observed Russian forces training up to 12,000 troops in Belarus
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Putin remains unlikely to deploy newly conscripted troops to participate in combat in Ukraine due to concerns for the stability of his regime. Chairman of the Russian State Duma Defense Committee Andrey Kartapolov stated on March 30 that spring conscripts will not deploy to Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine during the spring 2023 conscription cycle.[5] Kartapolov also noted that Russian forces will not conscript men from occupied territories. Kartapolov‘s statements may be true given that ISW has not observed the Russian military use conscripts on any significant scale on the frontlines since the first months of the war and especially since the sinking of the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s flagship, the Moskva, which had some conscripted sailors aboard.[6] Putin’s use of conscripts during the winter-spring period of 2022 sparked social tensions in Russia, and Putin is unlikely to risk his regime’s stability by deploying newly conscripted servicemen to the frontlines.[7] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Putin even publicly instructed Russian authorities to investigate alleged incidents of Russian conscript deployments to Ukraine on March 9, 2022 (which were technically illegal at that time).[8] Putin likely perceives the political cost of deploying conscripts to the frontlines as being higher than that of Russia’s September 2022 mobilization. Putin did not deploy conscripts from the spring 2022 conscription cycles in response to Ukraine’s September 2022 counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast but instead mobilized reservists to stabilize collapsing frontlines. This decision indicated Putin’s policy preference for mobilizing reservists rather than committing conscripts to battle — likely for political reasons — even though conscripts entering the final months of their annual service obligation might fight more effectively than civilian reservists. A prominent Russian news aggregator criticized the Russian conscription system, noting that Russia’s current staffing levels for contract servicemen are insufficient even though Russia has 250,000 available conscripts.[9] The aggregator added that it is “unacceptable” that “half of the Russian army is fighting with all its strength, while the other part is sitting in the barracks.”
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The start of the new conscription period, even with a slightly increased number of conscripts, may actually reduce Russian training capacity for reservists and other personnel recruited via crypto-mobilization campaigns. Russia has limited training capacity and allocating it to training conscripts who will not fight in 2023 deprives the Kremlin of the opportunity to train reservists and volunteers who would. The Kremlin may seek to increase its combat personnel in Ukraine by coercing spring 2022 conscripts who are finishing their one-year service into signing military contracts, since these freshly discharged conscriptions would need less additional training before deploying to Ukraine. It is far from clear how successful such an effort will be.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed a prominent milblogger and Russian proxy battalion commander as a regional Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) official for occupied Donetsk Oblast, advancing several Kremlin efforts. Multiple Russian milbloggers reported on March 30 that Putin signed a decree appointing former Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Security Minister and current Vostok Battalion commander Alexander Khodakovsky as deputy head of the Main Directorate of Rosgvardia in occupied Donetsk Oblast, making him responsible for Rosgvardia’s special rapid response and riot police (OMON and SOBR) in the region.[10] Khodakovsky announced on March 30 that he received this appointment in early February 2023 and posted a public recruiting ad for Rosgvardia OMON and SOBR units now under his command.[11] Khodakovsky publicly praises Putin and has been a loyal pro-Russian Ukrainian separatist since March 2014.[12] (Khodorkovsky was a Ukrainian SPETSNAZ commander for the Donetsk Oblast Alpha Group under the Ukrainian State Security Service before participating in Russia’s hybrid war against Ukraine in 2014.[13]) Khodakovsky’s appointment is analytically significant for several of ISW’s running assessments:
Khodakovsky’s appointment indicates a Russian effort to generate more forces from occupied Donetsk Oblast. Putin passed a bill on March 27 removing the upper age limit and other barriers to entry for Rosgvardia recruits from occupied Ukraine.[14] Khodakovsky - a native of Donetsk City - is well connected with Donetsk People‘s Republic militia fighters, veterans, and pro-Russian patriot groups in Donbas, and can help facilitate recruitment drives.[15]
The appointment advances a Kremlin effort to formalize legacy irregular Russian proxy forces in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts and subordinate them to Kremlin-controlled structures.[16]
Putin may use Khodakovsky’s appointment to ensure that Putin maintains reliable control over new Rosgvardia elements in Donetsk Oblast. ISW assessed that Russian authorities may be conducting a sweeping corruption probe within Rosgvardia, possibly to weed out actors who are perceived to be unreliable to Putin.[17]
The appointment could help Putin divide and conquer influential communities that the Kremlin does not fully control. Mixed reactions to Khodakovsky’s appointment from various Russian milbloggers’ — notably among Russian military veterans — indicate a significant fracture within the Russian nationalist veteran community.[18] ISW has previously assessed the Russian nationalist veteran community within the blogosphere to be more or less unified.
Khodakovsky’s appointment also indicates that Putin continues to prioritize loyalty over competence in his subordinates. One Russian milblogger criticized Khodakovsky’s appointment and stated that Khodakovsky’s incompetence as the Vostok Battalion commander in 2014 resulted in an especially bad friendly fire incident in which Khodakovsky’s troops destroyed a Russian volunteer detachment, killing 42
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:10 pm to Obtuse1
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Western officials reported that Wagner Group and conventional Russian forces have likely lost a substantial amount of manpower in the Bakhmut area, which will further constrain Russia’s offensive on Bakhmut. US Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff General Mark Milley reported on March 29 that the Wagner Group has around 6,000 professional personnel and 20,000 to 30,000 recruits, mostly convicts, fighting in the Bakhmut area.[22] US National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby reported in late December 2022 that the Wagner Group had 50,000 personnel in Ukraine including 10,000 contractors and 40,000 convict recruits.[23] The Wagner Group has deployed the vast majority of its force to support the offensive to capture Bakhmut, and it is likely that the difference between Kirby’s 50,000 figure in Ukraine and Milley’s 26,000 to 36,000 figure in the Bakhmut area is the result of casualties from Wagner’s attritional offensive on Bakhmut. Kirby reported on February 17 that the Wagner Group had suffered 30,000 casualties, with 9,000 dead, in operations in Ukraine
The senior military advisor to the United Kingdom’s mission to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), Ian Stubbs, reported on March 30 that 30,000 Russian military and Wagner personnel have died or been injured in the Bakhmut area since the Battle of Bakhmut began in July 2022.[26] Stubbs stated that Russian and Wagner forces have particularly suffered significant losses in and around Bakhmut in recent weeks and that they urgently need to replenish their personnel
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The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) arrested Wall Street Journal correspondent Evan Gershkovich in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Oblast on charges of espionage on March 30. The FSB claimed that Gershkovich collected information constituting a state secret about the activities of a Russian military-industrial complex enterprise on behalf of the US, and Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that FSB officers caught Gershkovich “red-handed.”[28] Russian authorities may have arrested Gershkovich as a retaliatory response to the US arrest of Russian national Sergey Vladimirovich Cherkasov on March 24 on charges of acting as an agent of a foreign power.[29] The Kremlin will likely use Gershkovich’s detention to attempt to extract some type of concession from the United States and possibly may seek to replicate a prisoner exchange similar to the December 2022 exchange of US basketball player Brittney Griner for Russian illegal arms dealer Viktor Bout.[30]
The reported site of Gershkovich’s arrest is noteworthy. Yekaterinburg hosts 12 Russian defense enterprises that specifically produce anti-aircraft rocket systems, long-range anti-aircraft missiles, radio systems, ground support equipment for missiles and aircraft, electronic control systems for missile complexes, missile-related guidance systems and radars, self-propelled artillery systems, highly enriched uranium, rare earth metal alloys, heavy machinery, and optical systems for military aircraft.[31] These enterprises include Russia’s primary producer of self-propelled artillery systems, Uraltransmash; one of Russia’s leading optical enterprises, Urals Optical-Mechanical Plant; and Uralmash, which mass produced tanks during and after the Second World War.
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Ukrainian National Security Defense Council Secretary Oleksii Danilov stated on March 30 that Ukrainian authorities do not intend to expel the Kremlin-affiliated Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC MP) from the Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra by force.[35] Independent Russian news outlet Meduza reported that parishioners of the UOC MP prevented a Ukrainian Ministry of Culture commission from entering the Lavra to conduct an inventory of the property.[36] Meduza reported that Ukrainian officials ordered the UOC MP to leave the Lavra on March 10 by March 29, and the UOC MP stated that it did not intend to comply.
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Key Takeaways
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on March 30 launching the semiannual spring conscription cycle, which will conscript 147,000 Russians between April 1 and July 15.
Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed a prominent milblogger and Russian proxy battalion commander as a regional Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) official for Donetsk Oblast.
Western officials reported that Wagner Group and conventional Russian forces have likely lost a substantial amount of manpower in the Bakhmut area.
The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) arrested Wall Street Journal correspondent Evan Gershkovich in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Oblast on charges of espionage.
Ukrainian National Security Defense Council Secretary Oleksii Danilov stated that Ukrainian authorities do not intend to expel the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC MP) from the Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra by force.
Russian authorities arrested Bryansk Oblast Acting Deputy Head Elena Egorova and Second Deputy Governor Tatyana Kuleshova for reportedly receiving bribes.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks north of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian forces continued offensive operations in and around Bakhmut as well as along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City front.
International Atomic Energy Agency Director (IAEA) Rafael Grossi stated that plans to ensure the safety of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) have evolved.
Pardoned Wagner Group convicts are continuing to commit crimes in Russia following the end of their contract service with Wagner.
Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to set conditions for September 2023 elections by further integrating occupied territories into the Russian legal apparatus.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:42 pm to StormyMcMan
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Western officials reported that Wagner Group and conventional Russian forces have likely lost a substantial amount of manpower in the Bakhmut area, which will further constrain Russia’s offensive on Bakhmut.

Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:22 pm to Geralt of Rivia
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Not one person can tell me why it’s our responsibility to interfere with this war.
Ah, in a 2597 page thread, no one has yet to talk about this. What a novel concept gents!! We should really address this.
ETA my bad, I am a bit behind. This thread got some action today. And I try not to clog up the page with unnecessary comments, but good gawd do they make it hard sometimes.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:23 pm to TexasForever
Whatever gains Wagner makes in Bakhmut are meaningless, as they will abandon the city completely over the next month or so.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:03 am to StormyMcMan
These ISW updates are getting better and better.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:23 am to LSUPilot07
I missed this due to the brigade yesterday.
RE: beavers in the trenches
The Ukes like beavers, last year they built dams and made several areas impassable on the Belarus border. Beavers are pro-Ukraine.
RE: beavers in the trenches
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I don’t know why they even wasted time getting rid of it. If you’ve ever had them frick with your land you’d have no problem just putting a bullet in it.
The Ukes like beavers, last year they built dams and made several areas impassable on the Belarus border. Beavers are pro-Ukraine.
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 5:50 am
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:47 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 31 March 2023
As of 23 March 2023, Ukrainian Special Operation Forces released footage of a Russian ZOOPARK-1M counter-battery radar being destroyed in the Donetsk area.
Efforts by both sides to neutralise their opponents' counter-battery radars have been a constant element of the conflict. These systems are relatively few in number but are a significant force multiplier. They allow commanders to rapidly locate and strike enemy artillery.
However, because they have an active electromagnetic signature, they are vulnerable to being detected and destroyed. Russia has lost at least six ZOOPARK-1M and likely only has a very limited number left in Ukraine. Regenerating counter-battery radar fleets is likely a key priority for both sides, but Russia will likely struggle because the systems rely on supplies of high-tech electronics which have been disrupted by sanctions.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 31 March 2023
As of 23 March 2023, Ukrainian Special Operation Forces released footage of a Russian ZOOPARK-1M counter-battery radar being destroyed in the Donetsk area.
Efforts by both sides to neutralise their opponents' counter-battery radars have been a constant element of the conflict. These systems are relatively few in number but are a significant force multiplier. They allow commanders to rapidly locate and strike enemy artillery.
However, because they have an active electromagnetic signature, they are vulnerable to being detected and destroyed. Russia has lost at least six ZOOPARK-1M and likely only has a very limited number left in Ukraine. Regenerating counter-battery radar fleets is likely a key priority for both sides, but Russia will likely struggle because the systems rely on supplies of high-tech electronics which have been disrupted by sanctions.
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 5:47 am
Posted on 3/31/23 at 6:15 am to cypher
RDI does a ~30 minute interview with General David Petraeus.
Lots of insights and one that struck me is the tag line of the video: "You actually can feel this battlefield." He talks about how with the OSINT info et al available he gets similar info to what he got on the battlefield. Which perfectly flies in the face of the bizarre "fake war" narrative.
YT
Lots of insights and one that struck me is the tag line of the video: "You actually can feel this battlefield." He talks about how with the OSINT info et al available he gets similar info to what he got on the battlefield. Which perfectly flies in the face of the bizarre "fake war" narrative.
YT
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:03 am to cypher
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Russia has lost at least six ZOOPARK-1M and likely only has a very limited number left in Ukraine. Regenerating counter-battery radar fleets is likely a key priority for both sides, but Russia will likely struggle because the systems rely on supplies of high-tech electronics which have been disrupted by sanctions.
This has been one of the key questions I have had for those sure that Russia would prevail in a longer war:
- We know that Russia is struggling to manufacture enough artillery shells, tank ammo, tanks, etc.; but what other systems is Russia losing that their defense industrial base might be unable to replace, and how deeply will this affect their combat power?
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