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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/18/23 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 8:24 pm to
Charleston must have become the port of choice due to all the military bases in the area. There are larger ports on the EC (Including Savannah just down the road). I know they're either finished or about to finish dredging the port to make it deeper.

I've personally seen a lot of military machines on the interstates in Columbia.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 8:47 pm to
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Whoa. The head of U.S. European Command and supreme allied commander for Europe just told US congressmen that we should send ATACMS and F-16s.

From Politico:



OK, this was also in that article and is worth mentioning:

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Slovakia, meanwhile, is in talks with Ukraine about sending MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine. “The Ukrainian president asked me to deliver the MiGs. Now, because this official request has come, the process of negotiations can be started,” Slovakian Prime Minister Eduard Heger said last week. “Our MiGs can save innocent lives in Ukraine.”


As we have seen time and time again, NATO operates through consensus. Poland and Slovakia are not openly giving their MiGs to Ukraine, because they want other NATO nations to also be giving aircraft to Ukraine.

This is yet another reason that I believe President Biden is about to announce F-16s to Ukraine. We can announce a coalition of nations giving F-16s to Ukraine (certainly including the Dutch, but likely other NATO members as well), and that frees up Poland and Slovakia to announce that they are sending their remaining Soviet aircraft to Ukraine.

So, the temptation would be to think that our announcement that we will eventually give F-16s to Ukraine won't make any difference in the war in the short term, because it will take a number of months to train Ukrainian pilots and mechanics and set up supply chains for parts. But that thought would be incorrect, as the F-16 announcement will result in the immediate addition of more airframes joining the Ukrainian air force. It's the same reason that we had to announce Abrams tanks to get the Leopards to Ukraine.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 9:17 pm to
A biz friend finds most of his exports going through Charleston whether for Asia or Middle East. Not Savannah,
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 4:51 am to
It's happening... We've discussed the concept of Russian Federal Republics declaring independance from Moscow and it seems this idea is beginning to gain traction with the populace of some of those Republics.
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‘Siberia will be free’: Russian regions vote in unauthorised independence referendums ‘Moscow takes a lot of resources from Siberia, and spends the money on its own needs and wars of aggression,’ said one secessionist leader
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Russians began voting in unauthorised independence referendums in five regions of the country on Thursday, as part of a campaign to promote secession from Moscow’s rule. The online vote organised by umbrella group the Post-Russia Forum covers Siberia, the Urals, Kaliningrad, Krasnodar and Ingria. The referendums are not binding, and may be illegal under a law against challenging Russia’s “territorial integrity”. But more than 130,000 votes were recorded on the first day of voting, which remains open until 28 February.
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Independence movements have grown in several regions of Russia since the invasion of Ukraine, with disproportionate death tolls in the provinces and the impact of sanctions adding to pre-existing grievances over a lack of autonomy and perceived exploitation.
Now, if these freedom-loving folks should need any help with securing their borders or say, building pipelines, I'm sure there are countries that will help...

Article. Use Webpage archive to open.
This post was edited on 2/19/23 at 7:01 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 6:17 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 February 2023

On 15 February 2023 Ukrainian armed forces spotted several balloons with radar reflectors suspended beneath them over Kyiv, Ukrainian officials reported that they shot down at least six of these. Earlier, on 12 February 2023, Ukraine's Air Force reported sighting balloons over eastern Dnipropetrovsk.

It is likely that the balloons were Russian. They likely represent a new tactic by Russia to gain information about Ukrainian air defence systems and compel the Ukrainians to expend valuable stocks of surface to air missiles and ammunition.

On 14 February 2023, sighting of a 'balloon shaped' object led to the closure of Moldovan airspace for several hours. There is a realistic possibility that this was a Russian balloon that had drifted from Ukrainian airspace.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 6:38 am to
ISW

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Russian forces conducted another missile strike targeting Ukrainian infrastructure throughout the country. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on February 18 that Russian forces launched 16 missiles targeting civilian infrastructure in Khmelnytskyi City and Ukraiinsk in Donetsk Oblast (about 30km west of Donetsk City).


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Russian news aggregators are advocating for Russia to carry out “retaliatory strikes” that would systematically target electrical infrastructure supporting Ukrainian nuclear power plants (NPPs) to force Ukraine to conduct emergency shutdowns of its NPPs. Prominent Russian news aggregator Readovka told its audience of almost 1.7 million subscribers that Russian forces need to prioritize the “decommissioning” of the NPPs’ external electrical infrastructure in hopes that doing so would lead to the emergency shutdown of NPPs in Ukraine.[5] Readovka did not advocate for Russian forces to directly strike nuclear power plants or attempt to cause radiological events, but rather to target separate substations that would cut off electrical supply essential to the safe operation of the plants thereby forcing Ukrainian officials to shut the plants down in ways that would make it very difficult to restart them. Readovka stated that the destruction of such targets for the three Ukrainian NPPs outside of Russian-occupied areas “will cause damage many times greater than the last few massive missile strikes.”[6] Readovka claimed with low confidence that the February 18 missile strike on Khmelnytskyi City may have targeted one such substation that supports the Khmelnytskyi NPP, though Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces hit a military facility and civilian infrastructure


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The Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) reported dismissal of Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) military spokesman Eduard Basurin as part of the formal reorganization of the DNR militia under the Russian MoD triggered another wave of Russian milblogger criticisms against the Russian defense establishment. A prominent Russian milblogger broke the news to his over one million subscribers that Russian military officials fired Press Secretary of the DNR’s Military Command Eduard Basurin on February 17

The DNR and LNR’s 1st and 2nd army corps are not and never have been a professional military or even an effective fighting force. These Russian proxies were ineffective at capturing and holding ground during the initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and required reinforcements from the conventional Russian military to capture Debaltseve in 2015.[14] DNR and LNR unit effectiveness has not improve since 2014, and the proxy forces and have continued to be ineffective in the renewed invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The Russian milblogger community’s reaction to the professionalization of the DNR and LNR forces indicates that the ultranationalist community values ideological commitment to the DNR’s and LNR’s brand of Russian nationalism over military professionalism, competence, and fighting effectiveness.


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The Kremlin continues to fail to deliver on previous financial promises to volunteer forces, a failure that will likely have detrimental ramifications on Russia’s ability to generate volunteer forces in the long-term as it seeks to professionalize and expand the army. Prominent Russian milbloggers claimed that the Russian military is not delivering promised financial compensation to Russian combatants across many units and noted that the problem is particularly affecting elements of the Russian Combat Army Reserve (BARS).[15] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) sought to establish BARS as an active reserve by recruiting volunteer reservists for three-year contract service starting in fall 2021 and offered minor financial compensation of 4,000 to 9,000 rubles (about $54 to $122) per month with other benefits, but this initiative failed almost immediately.

The Kremlin’s uninterest in paying volunteer formations may kill any incentive among Russians to sign contracts with the Russian MoD during or after the war because of growing mistrust that promised financial incentives will materialize.


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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) promoted the Western and Eastern Military District (WMD/EMD) commanders after confirming their appointments as district commanders. Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted WMD Commander Yevgeny Nikiforov and EMD Commander Rustam Muradov to Colonel General after the Russian MoD formally named the two as military district commanders.



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Chechen Republic leader Ramzan Kadyrov appears to have rejected overtures from Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin to join a renewed informational campaign against the Russian MoD, suggesting that this campaign may fail to restore Prigozhin’s waning influence. Kadyrov likely responded to the Russian MoD’s confirmation of the four military district commanders on February 17, stating that Chechen formations will follow the orders of any commander appointed by Russian President Vladimir Putin and that Chechen combat officers have an excellent well-coordinated relationship with the MoD.


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Ukrainian officials continue to question the Russian military’s ability to conduct a large-scale offensive throughout Donetsk Oblast. Spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defense Forces in the Tavriisk operational direction Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi stated on February 18 that Russian forces likely do not have the potential to conduct large-scale assaults throughout Donetsk Oblast and are beginning to lose momentum along this sector of the front.


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United States Vice President Kamala Harris announced on February 18 that the US had determined that Russia had committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine.[34] Harris stated during the Munich Security Conference that Russian forces “have pursued a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population” by committing murder, torture, rape, and deportation. Harris noted that Russian forces forcibly deported hundreds of thousands of people from Ukraine to Russia, including children. Harris noted that after the review of the evidence, there is “no doubt” that Russia committed crimes against humanity. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken added that the US reserves the determination of crimes against humanity for the “most egregious crimes


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 6:38 am to
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Key Takeaways

United States Vice President Kamala Harris announced on February 18 that the US had determined that Russia had committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine.

Russian forces conducted another missile strike attack targeting Ukrainian infrastructure.

Russian news aggregators are advocating for Russia to carry out “retaliatory strikes” that would systematically target electrical infrastructure supporting Ukrainian nuclear power plants (NPPs) to force Ukraine to conduct emergency shutdowns of its NPPs.

The Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) reported dismissal of Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) military spokesman Eduard Basurin as part of the formal reorganization of the DNR militia under the Russian MoD triggered another wave of Russian milblogger criticisms against the Russian defense establishment.

The Kremlin continues to fail to honor its commitments to financially incentivized volunteer forces, which will likely have detrimental ramifications on Russia’s ability to generate volunteer forces in the long-term.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) promoted the Western and Eastern Military District (WMD/EMD) commanders after confirming their appointments to the roles as part of an ongoing effort to present the Russian military as a well-organized fighting force.

Chechen Republic head Ramzan Kadyrov appears to have rebuffed overtures from Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin to join a renewed informational campaign against the Russian MoD.

Ukrainian officials continue to question the Russian military’s ability to conduct a large-scale offensive throughout Donetsk Oblast.

Russian forces continued offensive operations northwest of Svatove and in the Kreminna area.

Russian forces continued offensive operations around Bakhmut, along the western outskirts of Donetsk City, and in western Donetsk Oblast.

Russian forces are continuing to reinforce defensive positions in occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian authorities continue to exaggerate the extent of a Ukrainian threat to Russia’s border regions, attempting to convince the public of the “existential necessity” of the war in Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 7:48 am to
The "big Russian offensive" increasingly reminds me a band that used to be big, but now just plays the same old songs to smaller and smaller crowds each time. Or maybe it's like the promo for "Tugg Speedman" in Scorcher 6: Global Meltdown saying that this time, it's different.

After mindlessly throwing stupid attacks at Vuhledar again and again from the same direction and in the same way, Russia has now switched to attacking from a different direction, with the same result.
Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23750 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 8:05 am to
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British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 February 2023


British intelligence estimated Russian losses so far around 1 million, while Ukrainians lost around 250 soldiers so far.
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
15943 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 8:14 am to

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British intelligence estimated Russian losses so far around 1 million, while Ukrainians lost around 250 soldiers so far.
Damn, and I thought the 12:1 against the Germans was bad.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42610 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 9:47 am to
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British intelligence estimated Russian losses so far around 1 million, while Ukrainians lost around 250 soldiers so far.

I think you left off a zero.

It’s 2,500.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 9:53 am to
Saw Kadyrov mention this morning that he plans to start a PMC at some point. Combine that with Gazprom apparently being given permission to form their own private army and you see the oligarchs starting to form independent armies to protect their fiefdoms.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 10:57 am to
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Saw Kadyrov mention this morning that he plans to start a PMC at some point. Combine that with Gazprom apparently being given permission to form their own private army and you see the oligarchs starting to form independent armies to protect their fiefdoms.
Prigozhin is already isolated, so he'll be the first behind the mattresses. When the car bombs start going off in Moscow, you know they've arrived at the age of the Condottieri. Can't wait.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 1:10 pm to
Even if Biden announced f-16s to Ukraine you’re talking about an absolute minimum of 6 months to get their pilots trained on proper tactics and weapons systems and that’s all presuming Ukraine can get the proper facilities and runways for them to operate. That would in turn put a big red target for Russia to strike at. The Ukes can win this war without western fighters. I’d rather he announce a deal that we are sending Poland and maybe even Slovakia used f-16s to take the place of their Migs that would be sent to Ukraine. Slovakia already has a deal to have their airspace covered through at least until the end of this year or until they take delivery on the brand new f-16s they purchased. That would be around 34 MiG-29s for ukraine that they can put in the fight right now versus having to wait until the fall or even later to get f-16s. Then once Poland starts getting their f-35s they have on order delivered and Slovakia gets the 12 new block 70/72 f-16s they have ordered then you can work it out so the f-16s we sent those two countries for the Mig-29s could then go to Ukraine who would gladly accept hand me down f-16s. If Biden were to announce American aircraft for Ukraine right now it should be 2-3 dozen Super Cobra attack helicopters. While they too would take time to get their pilots ready to use those systems you could conceivably get them trained and to the battlefield by late summer. We would actually be saving money by going this route since we could write off newly retired helicopters and it would give Ukraine great close air support for their troops that their ancient Soviet helicopters can’t provide nearly as well.
This post was edited on 2/19/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 1:14 pm to
A few interesting things not already picked up

Igor Girkin's latest.

Wartranslated.com - Igor Girkin Frontline Update

Both sides were lucky the other couldn't shoot straight.

Twitter- @wartranslated Russian tank misses 2 Ukrainians at point blank range then survives RPG up the date.

Not sure they could get much closer.....to anything.

Twitter - @Euan_MacDonald No indicator to change lanes

Also looks to be multiple reports that the Russians have again gained a foothold in eastern Bakhmut but nothing confirmed yet.

Edit: Fixed broken link
This post was edited on 2/19/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 1:20 pm to
Kadryov already has a private army for all practical purposes
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 1:52 pm to
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MUNICH — French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday called out Vladimir Putin for telling him last year that the paramilitary Wagner Group had nothing to do with Russia.

“A year ago I spoke to Putin and he assured me Russia had nothing to do with the Wagner Group,” he told an audience at the Munich Security Conference. “I accepted that,” he said.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 2:07 pm to
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I’d rather he announce a deal that we are sending Poland and maybe even Slovakia used f-16s to take the place of their Migs that would be sent to Ukraine. Slovakia already has a deal to have their airspace covered through at least until the end of this year or until they take delivery on the brand new f-16s they purchased. That would be around 34 MiG-29s for ukraine that they can put in the fight right now versus having to wait until the fall or even later to get f-16s. Then once Poland starts getting their f-35s they have on order delivered and Slovakia gets the 12 new block 70/72 f-16s they have ordered then you can work it out so the f-16s we sent those two countries for the Mig-29s could then go to Ukraine who would gladly accept hand me down f-16s. If Biden were to announce American aircraft for Ukraine right now it should be 2-3 dozen Super Cobra attack helicopters. While they too would take time to get their pilots ready to use those systems you could conceivably get them trained and to the battlefield by late summer. We would actually be saving money by going this route since we could write off newly retired helicopters and it would give Ukraine great close air support for their troops that their ancient Soviet helicopters can’t provide nearly as well.


I agree, but I don't think that Poland and Slovakia are only holding on to their MiGs because they are waiting for replacement aircraft. (And we've already discussed that the UK and France have older aircraft that could also be donated to Poland and Slovakia -- the US isn't the only nation that could do that.)

Rather, I think that the problem is also the political problem that we saw with Western MBTs: no one wants to "escalate" without the comfort of the US "escalating" with them. So, just like the US had to announce Abrams tanks in order to get Europe to free the Leopards, we may have to announce F-16s to free the MiGs.

Additionally, while I agree that six months would be pushing it to get F-16s to Ukraine in six months, the psychological impact would be significant and immediate -- for both Russia and Ukraine. And the knowledge that that F-16s would eventually be arriving might enable Ukraine to use their existing planes more, knowing that any losses would ultimately be replaced.

On the other hand, while we are no longer worried so much about "escalating" with Russia, we shouldn't forget the report that the "understanding" that the US and China achieved in the war's first days was that China would not aid Russia, and that NATO would not send planes to Ukraine. For some reason, Xi felt that planes were a red line. While this was never any kind of formal agreement, with renewed concern about China possibly supplying Russia, I can see this as possibly being a reason that we might hold off.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/19/23 at 2:14 pm to
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Also looks to be multiple reports that the Russians have again gained a foothold in eastern Bakhmut but nothing confirmed yet.



Yeah, Ukraine pushed back Russia in the area southwest of Bakhmut, but Russia has continued to make progress in the northern suburbs, and they have again started to make progress in the eastern area of the city itself.

Personally, I think that Ukraine is just trying to hang on to Bakhmut past the 24th, as they don't want Putin to be able to brag during any anniversary speeches.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 2/19/23 at 2:20 pm to
From the pro-Russian @warmonitors,

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The Russian Investigative Committee has just received confirmation that the Ukrainian special services organized the attack on the Crimean bridge

Why is this important? It could give Putin a legal reason to declare war on Ukraine in his upcoming address.


Throughout the "special military operation," Putin has repeatedly doubled down on losing hands. I won't be surprised if he decides to use the anniversary to issue a formal declaration of war, just as I won't be surprised if he announces another big round of mobilization.

Putin has to do something. His anniversary speech can't just be about Nazis, blah, blah, blah.
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