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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/11/23 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 3:23 pm to
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Or a ROV operator with a dip of Cope in his lip.


Well, it wasn't SEALs because I just checked Amazon and there isn't a book out.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 3:56 pm to
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But there’s no doubt Storm Shadows can be fitted to Ukrainian fighters. It would be better to use their Su-27s though to carry them. Storm Shadow is a heavy munition and the heavier the load the faster you burn fuel and their Su-27s can fly much farther with heavier loads. We fixed a toilet to an A-1 in Vietnam the Ukrainians would fly on the wing of that aircraft and hold onto that thing if it meant being able to strike Crimea. They will figure it out in short order.



I certainly hope you're correct, but I also know that one of the reasons that the UK is getting rid of its Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoons is that they weren't built with the electronic connections to fire Storm Shadow, and the conversion is supposed to be expensive.

But, we figured out how to get a MiG-29 to fire HARM with the pilot using a tablet in the cockpit, so hopefully, that same kind of thing can be done for Storm Shadow. Because, as you say, that thing carries a massive warhead. One hit with it and the Kerch Bridge is history, and Russian bases at Sevastopol and Saky become unusable. A dozen of those would fundamentally change the war, and I've seen estimates that the RAF still has at least 700 of them, and the missile is still in production, so the UK should be able to replace anything it sends to Ukraine.

Look at the size of this missile:




In addition, if I'm reading between the lines properly, it's clear that the UK is fully prepared to sent Eurofighter Typhoons to Ukraine if other NATO members are not prepared to send jets.

It looks like Italy is about to order some more new Typhoons, so again, it's a production line that's still humming along, and the RAF will be able to replace anything it sends to Ukraine.

There was a very long and detailed article in The Drive yesterday covering the feasibility of sending Typhoons to Ukraine and the advantages and disadvantages that the plane would have for Ukraine.

The authors point out that the older Tranche 1 planes have almost no air-to-ground capability, which limits their value to Ukraine but also makes them "less of an escalation," as those planes really couldn't be used to strike targets in Russia.

Anyway, I personally think that the Typhoon is Ukraine's 3rd choice, after the F-16 and the Mirage, but we'll see what happens.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 4:42 pm to
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Or a ROV operator with a dip of Cope in his lip.


Named Cletus
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:51 pm to
It’s even bigger than that picture gives it justice. Like the size of a mini submarine. That’s why I said it would be better to use their Su-27s to carry them if/when they come. The Brits have some of the oldest typhoons out there as you mentioned but in that same context so do the Dutch with their f-16s. Some of their airframes were built in the early 80s, older than some of their pilots. They are retiring these first and would be the airframes most likely to go to Ukraine. Of course they have been updated every now and then with new avionics, radar, etc but there’s still a lot of hours on the airframes themselves. We have many already in the boneyard built after some of the Dutch f-16s still active.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:55 pm to
I've seen two different Twitter videos in the past few days of Ukrainian mechanized troops getting their version of the "we happy few, we band of brothers" speech. TIFWIW.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 1:33 am to
A lot going on in the information theatre over the weekend, could be a busy couple of weeks or so groundside before it gets slushy.

Tass - Russian diplomat urges to legally seal West’s deceit regarding Minsk agreements

Tass - Russian diplomat believes latest Nord Stream findings deserve emergency NATO summit

Also there is a chemical weapons claim doing the rounds via the Gateway Pundit which is speculation at best, even by GP's standards. It has also been promulgated on similar boards in other regions.

Gateway Pundit - EXCLUSIVE: Is Ukraine Using Chemical Weapons?
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 6:15 am to
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Gateway Pundit

LOL
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 7:36 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 February 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Over the past two weeks, Russia has likely suffered its highest rate of casualties since the first week of the invasion of Ukraine.

The Ukrainian General Staff release daily statistics on Russian casualties. Although Defence Intelligence cannot verify Ukraine's methodology, the trends the data illustrate are likely accurate. The mean average for the last seven days was 824 casualties per day, over four times the rate reported over June-July 2022. Ukraine also continues to suffer a high attrition rate.

The uptick in Russian casualties is likely due to a range of factors including lack of trained personnel, coordination, and resources across the front - this is exemplified in Vuhledar and Bakhmut.

This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 8:28 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 7:42 am to
WSJ:

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Ukraine Says Russia Is Delaying New Mobilization Amid Stepped-Up Offensive

KYIV, Ukraine—Ukraine said Russia was ready to launch a new mobilization but was struggling to integrate troops it had already drafted and was waiting to gauge the success of a stepped-up offensive ahead of the first anniversary of its invasion later this month.

“Everything is ready,” the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Vadym Skibitsky, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. “The personnel is in place, the lists are ready, the people tasked with carrying out recruitment and training are on standby.”

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“The Russian leadership faces the difficult choice of either continuing to deplete its forces, scale back objectives, or conduct a further form of mobilization,” the U.K.’s Defense Ministry said Saturday. Russian officials have repeatedly denied a new mobilization is imminent.

Maj. Gen. Skibitsky said that even if Russia forges ahead with a new round of mobilization, it will likely suffer from the same issues the previous wave brought to light, including shortages of modern equipment in good working order and a sufficient number of officers capable of preparing the vast influx of untrained men.

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“They’re preparing for a second wave of mobilization but our assessment is that they’ll hold off because they haven’t overcome all the difficulties they experienced during the first wave,” he said. “They were not ready for such a large-scale mobilization at the time, and they aren’t now.”
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In a report published on Friday, the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War said the incident near Vuhledar testified to incompetence among Russian soldiers that were mobilized in the first wave. “The systemic poor training of Russian mobilized personnel will likely continue to result in similar tactical failures throughout Ukraine,” he concluded.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:08 am to
So remember last weekend after my weekly conversation with some of my friends I said That Prigo and WG were getting shite on by the Kremlin and speculation was Prigo would be the fall guy for any issues in Ukraine? My folks were right. So effective Friday there is to be no more mention of WG on Russian State TV he is being treated as radioactive material. I just want to say personally to BK whatever he is this week and frick you botmfer. Also my guy in Russia told me to say hello to my buddy in CZ and he said “We’ll see him in court…hope it’s not the Hague lol” no mobilization because no weaponry for the people they have now. Oh just read above-old news. Likely dead Russians this week 4K+
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 8:10 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:45 am to
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I just want to say personally to BK whatever he is this week and frick you botmfer


It was over a month ago that he came back and bet me that Bakhmut would fall in a week.

Which, by the way, is the situation at Bakhmut stabilizing? It seems that Ukraine has definitely stabilized things south of Bakhmut for the time being, and that's where the greater danger was. Russia is still making some progress north of the city, but I also think that's slowing down.

A few weeks ago, I thought that Ukraine needed to go ahead and withdraw from the city, but they have instead reinforced it and seem to be doing fine there for now.


EDIT: on the other hand, I'm just now reading that Ukraine is closing press access to Bakhmut, which isn't a good sign -- but I'd still bet BKR that Bakhmut will hold on for another week.
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 9:17 am
Posted by DMAN1968
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:53 am to
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Ukraine also continues to suffer a high attrition rate.

Are there any reliable numbers on this?
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:00 am to
isw update

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Ukrainian military officials and Russian pro-war nationalist voices are downplaying Russia’s ability to launch a sweeping large-scale offensive in Donetsk Oblast in the current circumstances of the Russian Armed Forces. Representative of the Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR), Andriy Chernyak, stated that Russia does not have the resources necessary to launch a large-scale offensive operation on February 24 to coincide with the anniversary of Russia’s 2022 invasion.[1] Chernyak noted that Russians are preparing to intensify their attacks in eastern Ukraine in the next few weeks and are currently searching for weak spots in Ukrainian defenses.

Russian milbloggers continue to appear demoralized at the Kremlin’s prospects for executing a major offensive. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) commander Alexander Khodakovsky questioned why Russian forces are wasting their limited resources on small-scale grinding advances rather than accumulating combat force to launch larger-scale offensives.


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Russian forces’ reported culmination and tactical failures around Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, have likely further weakened the Russian ultranationalist community’s belief that Russian forces are able to launch a decisive offensive operation. A prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Russian forces failed to quickly advance in the first days of their offensive to capture Vuhledar and that Russian forces had lost the initiative by the end of January due to Ukrainian forces’ rapid transfer of reserves to the area.


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The disparity between the limited but significant Russian advances in the Bakhmut area and the lack of meaningful advances elsewhere in Ukraine may support milblogger and Ukrainian observations that Russian forces are unable to secure rapid advances through traditional mechanized maneuver warfare. The Russian military command is deploying its most elite units to the Bakhmut area in smaller formations using urban infiltration tactics, according to the limited footage of Russian tactics in the area that ISW has observed


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Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is trying to salvage his declining influence in Russia as the Kremlin continues to sideline him and his mercenaries. Prigozhin attempted to improve the declining reputation of his Wagner mercenaries in an interview with a prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger Semyon Pegov (known under the alias Wargonzo) on February 10. Prigozhin responded to a series of questions about Wagner controversies such as high casualties and ineffectiveness of recruited convicts, execution of deserters, treatment of recruited forces as cannon fodder, Prigozhin’s harsh criticism of the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and his supposed political aspirations, and Wagner mercenaries bearing “symbols of the Third Reich” despite fighting to “denazify” Ukraine

The Kremlin is continuing to dim Prigozhin’s star by depriving him of the right to recruit in prisons and by targeting his influence in the information space. In addition to the Wargonzo interview, a Wagner-affiliated milblogger obtained a document that outlines rules for covering the war in Ukraine with explicit requirements to refrain from mentioning Wagner and Prigozhin in the media.[13] The document also calls on media officials and milbloggers to refrain from praising Deputy Commander of the Russian Joint Grouping of Forces in Ukraine, Army General Sergei Surovikin, who is reportedly affiliated with Wagner


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Prigozhin likely attempted to deflect attention from his controversies by undercutting the Kremlin’s unrealistic goals for the war in Ukraine. Prigozhin forecasted that it would take Russian forces up to two years to reach the Donetsk Oblast administrative borders and three years to advance to the Dnipro River from the east. Prigozhin added that Russian society would need to be drastically militarized for the Kremlin to reach the English Channel, likely either hyperbolizing Russia’s aims of destroying NATO or referring to the Cold War-era Soviet war plans aimed at conducting a rapid blitzkrieg to the Channel coast.


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Prigozhin’s criticism of the Kremlin’s military campaign resembles the rhetorical approach of the former Russian militant Igor Girkin. Girkin had previously assisted the Kremlin by leading proxy armed formations in Crimea and Donbas in 2014 until the Kremlin deprived him of any influence following his surrender of Slovyansk in July 2014. Girkin became an embittered critic of the Kremlin and the Russian military command while seeking to rehabilitate his reputation in extremist Russian nationalist circles. Prigozhin’s uncharacteristically nihilistic forecast about Russian offensive prospects closely mirrors Girkin’s forecasts, and it is possible that Prigozhin is also turning into a bitter zealot who is losing his ability to leverage his parallel military to obtain political influence.


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Russian forces targeted southern Ukraine with air, missile, and aerial and maritime drone strikes overnight on February 10-11. Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces intercepted 20 of 24 Russian UAVs and one Kh-101 missile overnight.


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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian military officials and Russian pro-war nationalist voices are downplaying Russia’s ability to launch a sweeping large-scale offensive in Donetsk Oblast in the current circumstances of the Russian Armed Forces.

Russian forces’ reported culmination and tactical failures around Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, have likely further weakened the Russian ultranationalist community’s belief that Russian forces are able to launch a decisive military effort.

The disparity between the limited but significant Russian advances in the Bakhmut area and the lack of meaningful advances elsewhere in Ukraine may support milblogger and Ukrainian observations that Russian forces are unable to secure rapid advances through traditional mechanized maneuver warfare.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is trying to salvage his declining influence in Russia as the Kremlin continues to sideline him and his mercenaries.

Russian forces targeted southern Ukraine with air, missile, and aerial and maritime drone strikes overnight on February 10-11.

Russian forces continued offensive operations near Svatove and Kreminna.
Russian forces continue to prioritize offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast.

Russian occupation authorities are likely draining the Kakhovka Reservoir north of occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin confirmed that the Wagner Group stopped recruiting inside Russian prisons due to the expiration of an agreement between the Wagner Group and the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:13 am to
It is stabilized for now, the RU/WG for some insane reason continue to throw men and matériels to try and take it, I am hearing 1000 died yesterday alone! I can’t quite grasp the military objective, same with the Salt Mine? I just know with the coming Tanks and Jets this could be over by summer. I know I know war of attrition etc etc, I just know Russia is incapable of hiding true casualty rates now. Normal Russians are lining up again for things we and they have taken for granted the last 2 decades…I’ve really got to read before I post the above update speaks to slow grinding assaults rather than mobilization, Russia is very very worried the UA spring offensive is going to rout entrenched RU positions and another debacle will happen…oh and the mobilization will be Moscow and St. Petersburg focused if it happens…It’s one thing to send home body bags to the Stans but another thing entirely to piss off Moscow Mothers
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 9:39 am
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:22 am to
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Russia is very very worried the UA spring offensive is going to rout entrenched RU positions and another debacle will happen…

That would be great.

All this nuclear rhetoric is aimed solely at convincing western countries to just let Russia conquer what it apparently cannot conquer under the current conditions. The best course for Russia is to go home.
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 11:45 am to
I don’t even care about Bakhmut anymore if it means losing large numbers of Ukrainian troops. The way I see it every hour they hold onto that place is just bonus but it’s not worth destroying valuable resources that they will need. They really did a great job of holding the line for the entire Ukrainian military to be able to regroup and reposition their forces. I think they are just waiting with big reserve units for Russia to frick up and telegraph what their next move is going to be. With Pregozhin basically being blacklisted in Russia wouldn’t it be absolutely hilarious if he withdrew what’s left of his forces in Bakhmut? Putin would shite himself. Also the second the Russians are in Bakmut and the Ukrainians are clear they are going to get shelled to shite from the hills.
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 12:42 pm to
According to my folks in Russia Putins been planning this for about 3 months, Prigo is said to be fricking losing his mind, he’s not dumb and knows what’s happening-question is has he got a contingency plan….one that doesn’t end with him being handed over to The Hague or Special court? Or dying in a completely “random” UA shelling…
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 12:55 pm to
I saw him (Prigo) say in an interview that it would take 1.5-2 years to take the rest of the Donbass and 3 years to reach the Dnieper. But he also said that he had a plan to go all of the way to the English Channel.

Shoigu has nixed him taking prisoners for Wagner. What do you want to bet that Shoigu will start taking them for the military?
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 1:04 pm to
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has he got a contingency plan


Go to Syria with the rest of the war criminals.

The Russians are about to find out what a Dirty Black Summer is.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 1:13 pm to
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LOL


Agree, I have other words that GP stands for.
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