- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:15 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:15 am to GOP_Tiger
It’s one thing to give Ukraine artillery, tanks and weapons from all sorts of countries but it just can’t work like that with aircraft. The training that both the pilot and the maintenance crews go through to learn their aircraft inside and out. If you had 3 fighters you’d have to have guy getting trained in the U.S., France and either the UK or Sweden. That’s just a bridge too far. The F-16 is the only true option. They can come from European stocks like the Dutch or from ours that our transitioning to F-35s. Like you said the real solution is to acquire all the Mig-29s and Su-27s that you can source. The Slovakian Mig-29s still haven’t been sent I believe I read somewhere and that’s a squadron worth of aircraft and the Slovak Migs have been upgraded with all glass cockpits and a new radar. Poland has 23 Mig-29s still. That could be solved just by going to the boneyard and pulling out a few f-16s for Poland or giving them aircraft from units that are transitioning to new aircraft. They don’t have time to learn on western systems anymore. They will have to win or lose this war flying the aircraft they already know back and forth.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 12:19 am
1
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:35 am to AU86
The new PM is also pro western so maybe dodged a bullet.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:48 am to Jim Rockford
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 11 February 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 09 February 2023, Wagner Group head Yevgeny Prigozhin stated that Wagner had halted its prisoner recruitment scheme.
Data from the Russian Federal Penal Service had already suggested a drop-off in the rate of prisoner recruitment since December 2022. News of the harsh realities of Wagner service in Ukraine has probably filtered through to inmates and reduced the number of volunteers. However, a key factor in the termination of the scheme is likely increasingly direct rivalry between the Russian Ministry of Defence and Wagner.
In addition, the regular Russian military has likely now also deployed the vast majority of the reservists called up under 'partial mobilisation'. The Russian leadership faces the difficult choice of either continuing to deplete its forces, scale back objectives, or conduct a further form of mobilisation.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 11 February 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 09 February 2023, Wagner Group head Yevgeny Prigozhin stated that Wagner had halted its prisoner recruitment scheme.
Data from the Russian Federal Penal Service had already suggested a drop-off in the rate of prisoner recruitment since December 2022. News of the harsh realities of Wagner service in Ukraine has probably filtered through to inmates and reduced the number of volunteers. However, a key factor in the termination of the scheme is likely increasingly direct rivalry between the Russian Ministry of Defence and Wagner.
In addition, the regular Russian military has likely now also deployed the vast majority of the reservists called up under 'partial mobilisation'. The Russian leadership faces the difficult choice of either continuing to deplete its forces, scale back objectives, or conduct a further form of mobilisation.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 7:02 am to cypher
11 February 2023, Saturday, 11:48 99
Bundestag Member Calls To Allow Poland And Slovakia To Transfer East German MiG-29s To Ukraine
During the time of the USSR, East Germany had MiG aircraft, which were sold after the reunification of Germany, in particular, to Poland and Slovakia. When deciding on their transfer to Ukraine, Germany's permission is required and the German government must grant this permission.
Marcus Faber, member of the German Bundestag from the coalition Free Democratic Party, member of the defense committee, said this in a Guildhall comment.
"Next week, a security conference will be held in Munich. On the eve, I am talking with representatives of the Embassy of Ukraine in Germany, with other officials, and the first position that is voiced in the context of aviation is the F16 and the MiG29. Both models are not in service with the Luftwaffe. Therefore, the first task facing Germany is to give permission to transfer MiG-29s, which other countries have, to Ukraine," he said.
"East Germany was part of the Soviet zone of influence and East Germany had these MiGs. After our reunification, we sold them, for example, to Poland and Slovakia. Therefore, when Poland and Slovakia decide to transfer MiGs to Ukraine, they also need to get Germany's permission. At the very least, this applies to a part of such aircraft that these countries have," said the German parliamentarian.
"My position is that we should give this permission to Poland and Slovakia," Marcus Faber concluded.
Ukrainian News Agency
Bundestag Member Calls To Allow Poland And Slovakia To Transfer East German MiG-29s To Ukraine
During the time of the USSR, East Germany had MiG aircraft, which were sold after the reunification of Germany, in particular, to Poland and Slovakia. When deciding on their transfer to Ukraine, Germany's permission is required and the German government must grant this permission.
Marcus Faber, member of the German Bundestag from the coalition Free Democratic Party, member of the defense committee, said this in a Guildhall comment.
"Next week, a security conference will be held in Munich. On the eve, I am talking with representatives of the Embassy of Ukraine in Germany, with other officials, and the first position that is voiced in the context of aviation is the F16 and the MiG29. Both models are not in service with the Luftwaffe. Therefore, the first task facing Germany is to give permission to transfer MiG-29s, which other countries have, to Ukraine," he said.
"East Germany was part of the Soviet zone of influence and East Germany had these MiGs. After our reunification, we sold them, for example, to Poland and Slovakia. Therefore, when Poland and Slovakia decide to transfer MiGs to Ukraine, they also need to get Germany's permission. At the very least, this applies to a part of such aircraft that these countries have," said the German parliamentarian.
"My position is that we should give this permission to Poland and Slovakia," Marcus Faber concluded.
Ukrainian News Agency
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:04 am to LSUPilot07
quote:
Like you said the real solution is to acquire all the Mig-29s and Su-27s that you can source. The Slovakian Mig-29s still haven’t been sent I believe I read somewhere and that’s a squadron worth of aircraft and the Slovak Migs have been upgraded with all glass cockpits and a new radar. Poland has 23 Mig-29s still. That could be solved just by going to the boneyard and pulling out a few f-16s for Poland or giving them aircraft from units that are transitioning to new aircraft. They don’t have time to learn on western systems anymore. They will have to win or lose this war flying the aircraft they already know back and forth.
I mostly agree, but we also don't know how for sure how long the war will last. If we had started training Ukrainian pilots at the beginning of the invasion a year ago, Ukraine would have experienced F-16 pilots by now. Late is still better than never.
I also wonder if Slovakia will ultimately give their MiG-29s without the political cover of other NATO members providing jets. That's why I think that Poland and Slovakia give their MiGs in conjunction with a general NATO decision to give Ukraine jets, which should be F-16s.
I also wonder if there are ways to source some MiG-29s and SU-27s from outside NATO. For example, Azerbaijan has a dozen or so MiG-29s, and they are pretty much a true enemy of Russia at this point -- perhaps the Azeris might like some American jets?
And I still wonder whether MiG-29s could somehow be rigged to fire Storm Shadow missiles in the same way they were jerry-rigged to fire HARM.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:32 am to GOP_Tiger
Trying to answer my own question, I came across yesterday's article in The Times about possible Harpoon/Storm Shadow deliveries to Ukraine: LINK
So, the experts at RUSI (who should know) apparently think that Storm Shadow could indeed be rigged to be fired from Ukrainian MiGs.
quote:
Ukraine is prepared to use British long-range missiles to hit Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014, in a potential major escalation of western involvement in the war.
Rishi Sunak promised to send Ukraine more military aid following a visit by President Zelensky to Britain this week. Discussions are now taking place over whether this should include Harpoon anti-ship missiles or air-to-surface Storm Shadows.
Ukrainian defence sources confirmed to The Times that Kyiv would be prepared to use the missiles to strike Crimea following a warning from Zelensky that longer-range weapons from western allies would strike “deep in the occupied territories”.
quote:
Talks are now taking place to decide exactly how many British long-range missiles could be sent, despite previous concerns that enabling Ukraine to launch cross-border strikes on Russia could escalate the conflict.
quote:
Sidharth Kaushal of the Royal United Services Institute, a defence think tank ... added that Harpoon anti-ship missiles, which have already been given to Ukraine by Denmark, could be adapted to be fired from trucks, although they would be less accurate when attacking ground targets. He said it would also be possible to fire Storm Shadow missiles from the ground, but it was more likely that these would be fitted to Ukrainian aircraft.
Kaushal cautioned, however, that sending Storm Shadow missiles to Ukraine would mean Britain going further than the US. Biden has repeatedly refused to provide Army Tactical Missile System projectiles, which have a shorter range.
“Diplomatically, that would put the Biden administration in a very difficult position,” he said. “I imagine that is something policymakers in Whitehall are not necessarily keen to do. It would also enable proper, cross-border strikes against Russia.”
So, the experts at RUSI (who should know) apparently think that Storm Shadow could indeed be rigged to be fired from Ukrainian MiGs.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:11 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
I also wonder if Slovakia will ultimately give their MiG-29s without the political cover of other NATO members providing jets. That's why I think that Poland and Slovakia give their MiGs in conjunction with a general NATO decision to give Ukraine jets, which should be F-16s.
I believe that when Slovakia made the decision, the Czech Republic offered to provide cover/protection/ defense for Slovakia with their jets/airforce.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:13 am to AU86
quote:
Like you said the real solution is to acquire all the Mig-29s and Su-27s that you can source.
This is a no brainer. 100%. Could be immediate help.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:37 am to GOP_Tiger
Slovakia already has an agreement to have their airspace covered until they get the f-16s promised to them. But there’s no doubt Storm Shadows can be fitted to Ukrainian fighters. It would be better to use their Su-27s though to carry them. Storm Shadow is a heavy munition and the heavier the load the faster you burn fuel and their Su-27s can fly much farther with heavier loads. We fixed a toilet to an A-1 in Vietnam the Ukrainians would fly on the wing of that aircraft and hold onto that thing if it meant being able to strike Crimea. They will figure it out in short order.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:45 am to LSUPilot07
General Breedlove get it. America and Biden lead from behind. Great interview.
youtube- - Times Radio
youtube- - Times Radio
Posted on 2/11/23 at 10:40 am to AU86
quote:
@gbrumfiel BREAKING: Satellite images and data obtained by @NPR show that Russia is draining a massive reservoir in southern Ukraine. At stake is drinking water for 100,000s of people, agricultural production, and safety at Europe's largest nuclear plant.
LINK
Interesting Twitter thread on the draining of the Kakhovka Reservoir by the Russians.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:56 am to LSUPilot07
quote:
This has to male Romania a little uneasy no question. The Russians will attempt to take over the entirety of Moldova in order to have a closer approach to Ukraine’s western edges. It will be interesting to see what happens with this in the next few days. Moldova is a very small and poor country but it sits in a very strategic spot.
Easiest solution is Romanian unification but there is no appetite for that in Bucharest given the economic costs. As far as the Transistria issue they can wipe their hands of it and let Ukraine deal with it if they want. I know its outdated but they have the large ammo depot there that might be worth taking if I were Ukraine.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:42 pm to Burhead
quote:
As far as the Transistria issue they can wipe their hands of it and let Ukraine deal with it if they want.
Russia was hoping that Transnistria would actively enter the war, and they have pointedly refused to do so. In the long run, Transnistria's trade and economic interests are with the EU, not with Russia. If Russia had been able to take Odessa and extend its "land bridge" all the way to Transnistria, then that would be a different story.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
In the long run, Transnistria's trade and economic interests are with the EU, not with Russia.
Try convincing them of that. Not going to happen. Transnistria is 1950 hardcore Soviet ideology. Strange place. As long as Russia exists, Transnistria will be tied to it. That place is not even recognized as existing by the vast majority of the world.
Similar to the two breakaway regions in Georgia. Russia was allowed to station troops there and look at what now exists with the Georgian government. They are shifting more and more to pro Russian. The Russian creep is real.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:20 pm to AU86
Good find, direct and to the point. This one popped up after and was similarly interesting.
Youtube Ukraine war expert: "I believe it could be over this year" DW News
From a quick surf Lt. General (Retired) Hodges was the United States Army Europe commander from 2014-2017 so had direct experience with the fallout of the Crimean invasion.
I found his takes on Russian use of the information area of the war and how the Black Sea should be viewed in a larger strategic context particularly note worthy.
Anyone know more about him, based on several articles through the war his analysis seems fairly accurate, though it is on the more optimistic side, this was (and still is) reliant on timely supply to Ukraine of equipment and munitions.
Kyiv Independent - We’ve reached irreversible momentum for Ukraine Sept '22
CNBC - Shepard Smith interviews Lt. General Hodges - March '22
Edit: Clarity
Youtube Ukraine war expert: "I believe it could be over this year" DW News
From a quick surf Lt. General (Retired) Hodges was the United States Army Europe commander from 2014-2017 so had direct experience with the fallout of the Crimean invasion.
I found his takes on Russian use of the information area of the war and how the Black Sea should be viewed in a larger strategic context particularly note worthy.
Anyone know more about him, based on several articles through the war his analysis seems fairly accurate, though it is on the more optimistic side, this was (and still is) reliant on timely supply to Ukraine of equipment and munitions.
Kyiv Independent - We’ve reached irreversible momentum for Ukraine Sept '22
CNBC - Shepard Smith interviews Lt. General Hodges - March '22
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Besides the fact that the entire story rests on one anonymous source, there are lots of factual inaccuracies and details that don't match up.
The special skills needed are not some superfrogmen but a couple of divers from Port Fourchon, Morgan City, etc...
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:52 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
Russia said it plans to cut its oil production by around 500,000 barrels a day, or about 5%, next month, sending crude prices higher in a move that Moscow said was in response to Western sanctions.
All this means is that they aren't selling enough and don't have enough storage to keep it. Losing market share over the next few years anyway and new fields come online elsewhere in the world. Also, Russia's refined product exports never fully recovered after 2020 lockdowns caused them lose sales.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:56 pm to AU86
Glad to see others are watching Times Radio. It's a great place to get news on this conflict. They interview General Breedlove and Lt General Hodges often.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 3:03 pm to CitizenK
quote:
The special skills needed are not some superfrogmen but a couple of divers from Port Fourchon, Morgan City, etc...
Or a ROV operator with a dip of Cope in his lip.
Page 2397 of 3808
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News