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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:33 am to Lakeboy7
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:33 am to Lakeboy7
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It is amazing how much quality equipment can even the tables despite huge advantages in numbers. Especially when the other side has shite. Do other branches use the term "force multiplier"? Just curious. And its fun to read disappointment in "only" getting Brads and Strykers, in this war those things (in addition to existing armor) will dominate the battlefield.
The Ukrainians have been using BMPs and BTRs to much better effect than the Russians. It’s the training of the soldiers not the quality of the tech that makes the difference. You could give Russians M1A2sepv3s and the most up to date Bradleys and Strykers and they still would be getting killed because the soldiers wouldn’t know how to use their tanks and troops together and the Russian tank commanders still would not be searching the surrounding terrain as they moved so the Ukrainians would still have a field day with ATGMs.
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:40 am to WeeWee
You give Russia 100 Bradley’s, they’d sell 50 in the black market. They’d send 50 to the front, but on the way 20 would be blown up enroute. 30 would get to the front where their tankers would abuse them. Half of those would be put in the shop where they would be scavenged and their parts sold on the black market. That would leave 15 Bradleys to hide so the Ukes couldn’t find them.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I had to paste the article into archive.ph and copy the text and feed it through Google Translate.
Hmmmmm... nice. Thanks. Archive.ph bookmarked.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:55 pm to Lakeboy7
Regardless of the actual numbers, which side can sustain the loss rate longer and what quality of troops are being lost.
And what is the quality and number of replacements
If Ukraine is losing significant number of the "western trained" and experienced troops while the Russians are losing convicts and other fodder, the long term impact on Ukraine may be worse.
And what is the quality and number of replacements
If Ukraine is losing significant number of the "western trained" and experienced troops while the Russians are losing convicts and other fodder, the long term impact on Ukraine may be worse.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
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WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Senior U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of U.S. weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a senior Biden administration official said on Friday.
The official, speaking to a small group of reporters on condition of anonymity, said the United States was holding fast to its decision not to provide Abrams tanks to Ukraine at this time, amid a controversy with Germany over tanks.
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The belief in Washington is that Ukraine has spent considerable resources defending the city of Bakhmut but that there is a high possibility that the Russians will eventually push the Ukrainians out of that town, the official said.
If that happens, it will not result in any strategic shift on the battlefield, the official said.
One consideration for the Ukrainians, the official said, is how much they continue to pour into defending Bakhmut at a time when they are preparing for an offensive to try to drive the Russians out of areas they hold in southern Ukraine.
U.S. officials are working with the Ukrainians on this tradeoff, the official said.
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The official said the United States does not plan at this juncture to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine because they are costly and difficult to maintain.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:20 pm to Chromdome35
Never thought I would see any administration as incompetent as the Biden Administration, but Scholz and his gang are in the running.
The SPD has to be compromised. No one can be this neutered.I wish this would cause the coalition government to crash.
The SPD has to be compromised. No one can be this neutered.I wish this would cause the coalition government to crash.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
To me it’s really about maki g a point now more than anything. We have provided more help than anyone and the one area where we ask Europe and therefore Germany to take the lead is with tanks. We will send equipment to operate with the tanks and logistics but this is one area they have to step up because it’s obvious the Leopard is the correct tank to go to Ukraine. If Britain had 200 spare Challengers I think they would just say screw Germany but they don’t. The Germans know their tank is the only one with enough numbers and spare parts and would be the easiest choice to supply and maintain in the least amount of time so therefore they are going to make it as hard as they possibly can. Good on Poland for saying frick Germany’s approval.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:59 pm to LSUPilot07
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The Germans know their tank is the only one with enough numbers and spare parts and would be the easiest choice to supply and maintain in the least amount of time so therefore they are going to make it as hard as they possibly can. Good on Poland for saying frick Germany’s approval.
Finland has 139 Leopard2A4s in reserve right now and Spain has 108 Leopars2A4s which it recently tried and failed to sell to Peru. The USA should cut a deal with Finland and Spain to replace their Leopards2A4s with Abrams in exchange for them following Poland's lead and telling Germany to f**k off and sending Leopards to Ukraine. Are hell if we really wanted to get tanks to Ukraine ASAP we would be get some of the Leopard 1s that Greece still has in service. Greece operates 500 Leopard1A5s. The Ukrainians are already familiar maintenance on the Lepard1 because it has been operating Gepards for months. Also according to wikipedia the Leopard1A5 turret has already been redesigned to have the option of swapping out the 105mm main gun for 120mm main gun.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:13 pm to AU86
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Never thought I would see any administration as incompetent as the Biden Administration, but Scholz and his gang are in the running.
The SPD has to be compromised. No one can be this neutered.I wish this would cause the coalition government to crash.
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German defence group Rheinmetall could deliver 139 Leopard battle tanks to Ukraine if required, a spokesperson for the company told RND - Reuters
Well that has to be embarrassing for Germany's leaders.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:21 pm to TigersnJeeps
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If Ukraine is losing significant number of the "western trained" and experienced troops while the Russians are losing convicts and other fodder, the long term impact on Ukraine may be worse.
Peter Zaihan was on Rogan a couple of weeks ago and although I don't always agree with him he had some interesting and I think salient remarks on the issue.
YT
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:40 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Ukraine is losing troops that are western trained which is worth a lot more than losing a bunch of ex-con conscripts. Each loss hurts Ukraine more than each loss hurts Russia.
I do not know about all of that but no matter what the figure is the Russian and Ukrainian mail order bride market is going to be jumping for the next decade or so. American women better get in the gym and practice their sandwich making skills (that is a joke to any females or feminists reading this).
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:05 pm to WeeWee
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Russian and Ukrainian mail order bride market is going to be jumping for the next decade or so.
Link?
Asking for a friend.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:06 pm to Obtuse1
I saw references to it on strategypage and on Warnewsupdates.
strategypage
War News Updates
Both are more on the pessimistic side of Ukraine's long-term fortunes. Neither are fans of Russia.
"Speak the Truth" on YT has had some interesting episodes in the last week or so that I am catching up. Esp with his recent Australian guest.
strategypage
War News Updates
Both are more on the pessimistic side of Ukraine's long-term fortunes. Neither are fans of Russia.
"Speak the Truth" on YT has had some interesting episodes in the last week or so that I am catching up. Esp with his recent Australian guest.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:09 pm to WeeWee
Scholz and the SPD are cowards. They don't want the responsibility of a future of Germany stepping up to meet their defense needs and they are scared to death realizing that their cushy dependence on cheap Russian energy may be over. They want everything back to prewar status quo. Cheap Russian gas/ security provided by the US and social welfare for the volk. He doesn't want Ukraine to win and he doesn't want Russia to win/lose. He wants a deal.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:10 pm to Obtuse1
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Peter Zaihan was on Rogan a couple of weeks ago and although I don't always agree with him he had some interesting and I think salient remarks on the issue.
His last point was in the spring it would be Ukraine's well trained, well equipped army vs Russia's huge, poorly trained, poorly equipped, badly led, unmotivated army. Reminds me of the runup to Desert Storm and Saddam's million man army which was supposed to give the coalition so much trouble.
Ukraine isn't as good as the US military and Russia probably isn't quite as bad as Saddam's army but I think the comparison is still valitd.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:13 pm to Mr Happy
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Russian and Ukrainian mail order bride market is going to be jumping for the next decade or so.
Link?
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Mr Happy
Here you go and good luck finding the future Mrs Happy.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:27 pm to TigersnJeeps
Looks like Sweden’s NATO bid in question again because they’re actually a democracy.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:29 pm to WeeWee
Interesting comment from British commenter Owen Mathews, author of the new book Overreach: The Inside Story of Putin’s War Against Ukraine on this podcast:
He says that, in the early days of the war, China told the US that it would abstain from the war and not support Russia, as long as NATO was not directly involved, and China indicated at the time that aviation was a red line for it.
And that's why the Polish MiG-29s were not sent to Ukraine; it was part of the deal to keep China from sending any aid to Russia.
He says that, in the early days of the war, China told the US that it would abstain from the war and not support Russia, as long as NATO was not directly involved, and China indicated at the time that aviation was a red line for it.
And that's why the Polish MiG-29s were not sent to Ukraine; it was part of the deal to keep China from sending any aid to Russia.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:29 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:33 pm to DabosDynasty
Turkey is showing it's arse again. Erdogan will have to be bought off after the Turkish elections.
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