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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:54 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:54 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’m firmly in support of Ukraine kicking the shite out of Putin but I just don’t see a realistic picture where they can take Crimea. Literally everything would have to go right for them and even still it would be a very tall order.
I'm not excited about sending billions to Ukraine right now, but I'm a pragmatist and it needs to be done at this point.
I 100% do not support aiding Ukraine in Crimea, only to pre 2022 invasion borders.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 5:56 pm
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:56 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’m firmly in support of Ukraine kicking the shite out of Putin but I just don’t see a realistic picture where they can take Crimea. Literally everything would have to go right for them and even still it would be a very tall order.
Even if they could, I think it would be a mistake. Seeing Ukraine taking Crimea could lead to the Russian public to actually getting behind this war as then it could be painted as “defending Mother Russia.”
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
I read a few pages of this thread and 
at the posters policing this thread saying to keep politics out of it.
This entire thread is a hot mess of politics.
Muh, let's send Ukraine MORE weapons and eleventy zillion dollars; so a tidal wave from Putin's sub doesn't happen. Muh Putin is dying because MSNBC said so.
When exactly did Congress vote on going to war?
If neolibs & neocons post in this thread it is NOT POLITICAL, you see!
Leaving this hot mess thread now--- THIS STATEMENT IS NOT POLITICAL is my final answer. I reserve the right to phone a friend.
at the posters policing this thread saying to keep politics out of it. This entire thread is a hot mess of politics.
Muh, let's send Ukraine MORE weapons and eleventy zillion dollars; so a tidal wave from Putin's sub doesn't happen. Muh Putin is dying because MSNBC said so.
When exactly did Congress vote on going to war?
If neolibs & neocons post in this thread it is NOT POLITICAL, you see!
Leaving this hot mess thread now--- THIS STATEMENT IS NOT POLITICAL is my final answer. I reserve the right to phone a friend.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:01 pm to cajunangelle
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cajunangelle
I respect you sweetie, I know your first husband went down with the CSS Hunley.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:02 pm to cajunangelle
It’s not like this is the first time in history the us sent arms to aide the side Russia is fighting or Russia/USSR has sent arms to the side the us was fighting
Korean War
Vietnam war
Afghan war (USSR)
Afghan war (us)
Korean War
Vietnam war
Afghan war (USSR)
Afghan war (us)
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:06 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
So, we're going to commit another 50 Bradleys tomorrow, in addition to the Strykers and the GLSDB. Personally, I think that the GLSDB is the biggest news in all this.
Here's a good article from November on what it's going to do for Ukraine.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is finalizing a massive package of military aid for Ukraine that U.S. officials say is likely to total as much as $2.6 billion. It’s expected to include for the first time nearly 100 Stryker combat vehicles and at least 50 Bradley armored vehicles to allow Ukrainian forces to move more quickly and securely on the front lines in the war with Russia — but not the tanks that Ukraine has sought.
So, we're going to commit another 50 Bradleys tomorrow, in addition to the Strykers and the GLSDB. Personally, I think that the GLSDB is the biggest news in all this.
Here's a good article from November on what it's going to do for Ukraine.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:26 pm to GOP_Tiger
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So, we're going to commit another 50 Bradleys tomorrow, in addition to the Strykers
What version of the Stryker?
Infantry?
Or
Mobile Gun System?
A mix of both maybe? As for the Bradleys, they’ll have to integrate them, ans they will the Strykers, into their mechanized and armor brigades. They can’t operate on a battlefield like the one in Ukraine without armor support. Yes, they have the means to defend themselves via their twin TOW missile launcher. But they’re not meant to go toe to toe against tanks.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:28 pm to Darth_Vader
That picture of the Stryker Mobile Gun System would make a great reference for a model build.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:31 pm to Chromdome35
Indeed it would. No idea if anyone makes a kit though.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:33 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Even if they could, I think it would be a mistake. Seeing Ukraine taking Crimea could lead to the Russian public to actually getting behind this war as then it could be painted as “defending Mother Russia.”
We have to stop calibrating our actions around placating Russia. They are they aggressors. They fricked around, now they have to find out. If Russia gets away with this, they'll be moving to the next country on their laundry list. Do we really want a showdown with them over Estonia or Finland? Because it will happen if Russia gets away with Ukraine.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:41 pm to Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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We have to stop calibrating our actions around placating Russia. They are they aggressors. They fricked around, now they have to find out. If Russia gets away with this, they'll be moving to the next country on their laundry list. Do we really want a showdown with them over Estonia or Finland? Because it will happen if Russia gets away with Ukraine.
I see military strategy is a foreign concept to you. It obvious you clearly want Ukraine to win. But you’re arguing for a move that would make it far harder for them to do so. Perhaps if you could divorce your emotions from the matter you’d be able to see the overall strategic picture more clearly.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:46 pm to Darth_Vader
You’ve now got 100 Bradleys, 100 Strykers and 40 Marders to go with what you already had i think it would be a massive disappointment if they didn’t come away with at least around 100 Leopard tanks to integrate with those systems. Hopefully the Germans are off the rag before the meeting and they allow other countries to send their Leopards even if the Germans didn’t want to send theirs.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Isn’t the army planning on retiring those because they suck? The Gun system one i mean.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:48 pm to tigeraddict
The U.S. also sent Russia these supplies and equipment during WW2 -
"After Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941, America sent the first convoys with goods to the Soviet Union by August.
The scope of the aid is detailed by Russia Beyond, an online publication of Russia’s state newspaper (Rossiyskaya Gazeta), and also by many historians, including U.S. policy analyst Albert L. Weeks in his 2004 book Russia’s Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the USSR in World War II.
In the final tally, America sent its Russian ally the following military equipment:
400,000 jeeps and trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
And these supplies:
More than 1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petroleum products (to fuel airplanes, trucks, and tanks)
4.5 million tons of food
Americans also sent guns, ammunition, explosives, copper, steel, aluminum, medicine, field radios, radar tools, books and other items.
The U.S. even transported an entire Ford Company tire factory, which made tires for military vehicles, to the Soviet Union.
From 1941 through 1945, the U.S. sent $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in 2016 dollars, in goods and services to the Soviets."
LINK
"After Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941, America sent the first convoys with goods to the Soviet Union by August.
The scope of the aid is detailed by Russia Beyond, an online publication of Russia’s state newspaper (Rossiyskaya Gazeta), and also by many historians, including U.S. policy analyst Albert L. Weeks in his 2004 book Russia’s Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the USSR in World War II.
In the final tally, America sent its Russian ally the following military equipment:
400,000 jeeps and trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
And these supplies:
More than 1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petroleum products (to fuel airplanes, trucks, and tanks)
4.5 million tons of food
Americans also sent guns, ammunition, explosives, copper, steel, aluminum, medicine, field radios, radar tools, books and other items.
The U.S. even transported an entire Ford Company tire factory, which made tires for military vehicles, to the Soviet Union.
From 1941 through 1945, the U.S. sent $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in 2016 dollars, in goods and services to the Soviets."
LINK
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:49 pm to Darth_Vader
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They can’t operate on a battlefield like the one in Ukraine without armor support. Yes, they have the means to defend themselves via their twin TOW missile launcher. But they’re not meant to go toe to toe against tanks.
On one hand you are 100% correct but on the other you can't discount the fact that in this conflict there are lots of troops on both sides running around in pickups, SUVs, vans and cars. There is however a right and wrong way to utilize them but sometimes wrong may be right for the situation. Anyone that has been in the modern US military really never had to deal with this issue, except for Tier 1 ops that made the choice for a reason.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:50 pm to LSUPilot07
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You’ve now got 100 Bradleys, 100 Strykers and 40 Marders to go with what you already had i think it would be a massive disappointment if they didn’t come away with at least around 100 Leopard tanks to integrate with those systems
That would be best. Otherwise the Ukrainians would have to integrate these vehicles into the tank formations they have now. Either way, they. Amy be deployed on their own.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:50 pm to LSUPilot07
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Hopefully the Germans are off the rag before the meeting and they allow other countries to send their Leopards
I think this will be the eventual ending. Germany reluctantly allowing this gives them credit for helping when they actually don’t send anything.
And with this option the US can then send Abrams to the countries that give leopards. And we have tons in storage. This and now you have more NATO MBTs all of the same time which makes them easier to maintain and supply arms.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Isn’t the army planning on retiring those because they suck? The Gun system one i mean.
I’m not sure. I know they have the old 105mm rifled main gun that was used on the M60 series and the initial version of the M1 until we got the M1A1 with the 120mm smoothbore main gun.
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