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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:29 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:29 pm to WeeWee
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Russia is also selling oil at below market prices and close to their break even price.
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Russia is also selling oil at below market prices and close to their break even price.
I see where Urals is back to around $50 but as told to me by a Russian CEO at lunch in 2015, breakeven was $50 for Siberian crudes. Goldman, aka Spengler, has stated $34 but I think like everything Russian his info is really bad. I used buy what he was selling but his info has been really wrong about Huawei and other things China.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:33 pm to WeeWee
The problem with Crimea is that Ukraine now understands perfectly well how important Crimea is to its security. No peace deal that leaves Russia in control of Crimea will be acceptable to Ukraine.
About the best that Russia could hope for would be a deal where Crimea is given independence or something like that.
And, by the way, if Putin uses a nuclear weapon? He loses, because India, the Arab states, Africa, South America, and SE Asia all seize Russian assets and impose an economic blockade. China goes along with those restrictions, because the alternative is an economic war with Europe and the US. This causes instantaneous economic collapse in Russia, and a palace coup in Moscow removes Putin from power.
Personally, I think it very unlikely that Crimea stays in Russian hands. The only way that would happen is if Ukraine miscalculates and spectacularly fails in its offensives this year. If the war were to degenerate into a true stalemate, then both sides would be ready to negotiate.
About the best that Russia could hope for would be a deal where Crimea is given independence or something like that.
And, by the way, if Putin uses a nuclear weapon? He loses, because India, the Arab states, Africa, South America, and SE Asia all seize Russian assets and impose an economic blockade. China goes along with those restrictions, because the alternative is an economic war with Europe and the US. This causes instantaneous economic collapse in Russia, and a palace coup in Moscow removes Putin from power.
Personally, I think it very unlikely that Crimea stays in Russian hands. The only way that would happen is if Ukraine miscalculates and spectacularly fails in its offensives this year. If the war were to degenerate into a true stalemate, then both sides would be ready to negotiate.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The problem with Crimea is that Ukraine now understands perfectly well how important Crimea is to its security. No peace deal that leaves Russia in control of Crimea will be acceptable to Ukraine.
About the best that Russia could hope for would be a deal where Crimea is given independence or something like that.
And, by the way, if Putin uses a nuclear weapon? He loses, because India, the Arab states, Africa, South America, and SE Asia all seize Russian assets and impose an economic blockade. China goes along with those restrictions, because the alternative is an economic war with Europe and the US. This causes instantaneous economic collapse in Russia, and a palace coup in Moscow removes Putin from power.
Personally, I think it very unlikely that Crimea stays in Russian hands. The only way that would happen is if Ukraine miscalculates and spectacularly fails in its offensives this year. If the war were to degenerate into a true stalemate, then both sides would be ready to negotiate.
maybe i am wrong, i just dont see it. hopefully i am wrong
still think russia uses nukes to protect crimea
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This causes instantaneous economic collapse in Russia, and a palace coup in Moscow removes Putin from power.
My understanding is that any group or person who would take his place has the same mentality if not worse. Russia loses economically regardless and is beginning its downward spiral
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:10 pm to TBoy
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Whatever Russia says it is doing or will do is typically not what it is actually doing or planning. I expect a massive mobilization in 2023. If its military holds to the same size as announced, that will mean that an additional 200k or more are dead on the front lines.
I have acquaintances in both Moscow and St Petersburg and they are worried about another round of mobilization. They say that the last one avoided the major urban areas except for the jails and those arrested in protests. It also didn’t affect the highly educated. They are saying that the next mobilization will include the urban areas and the educated. They are expecting it to be larger than last year’s too. They have also told me that they are wondering how Putin will keep the Russian economy going while transitioning it to a wartime economy at same time if they start filling the military ranks with the educated. They might be able to replace a miner or laborer with forced labor from prisons and importing more North Koreans to work in labor camps, but prisoners and North Koreans are not going to be able to take the place if international businessmen. I know of one Russian whose an international businessman who has the equivalent of a mastere degree and works in Moscow and Dubai. One of the military officers who is in charge of mobilization has told him that his name is on the list for the next round. He is 38 and out of shape with a wife and 2 kids. He has been able to travel back and forth between Russia and Dubai because he has special permission due to his work. He has moved his whole family to Dubai and is refusing to go back.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:10 pm to WeeWee
Ukraine will only be limited by their military capability. All areas are high priority. The question is - does Ukraine have the military CAPABILTY to take Crimea back? And all of Donbas?
After what they have already seen in Ukraine - Russia repeatedly lobbing artillery across the border into residential blocks, they don’t want Russia to have the impression they will settle at all. Otherwise, history will repeat itself.
After what they have already seen in Ukraine - Russia repeatedly lobbing artillery across the border into residential blocks, they don’t want Russia to have the impression they will settle at all. Otherwise, history will repeat itself.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:14 pm to CitizenK
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I see where Urals is back to around $50 but as told to me by a Russian CEO at lunch in 2015, breakeven was $50 for Siberian crudes. Goldman, aka Spengler, has stated $34 but I think like everything Russian his info is really bad. I used buy what he was selling but his info has been really wrong about Huawei and other things China.
So that means Russia is making between $0-$16 per barrel instead of $30-$46 per barrel. Eventually that lost money is going to be too big for Russia to cover with accounting tricks and it’s not going to have money to pay its bills. I wonder if China will keep selling Russia computer chips, tires, etc when Russia’s checks start bouncing?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:33 pm to lsu777
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still think russia uses nukes to protect crimea
Nah but another assault from the North would almost definitely happen. Ukraine doesn’t have the capacity to hold the line in the East, attack Crimea and defend the northern border at the same time no matter how many HIMARS we give them.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:39 pm to WeeWee
LINK
Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs have a 93-mile range and will allow Ukraine to hit targets well beyond what they can currently hit with HIMARS, and with a bigger warhead. All the Russian ammo depots that they have built just out of HIMARS range? They are all vulnerable now. Russian logistics is going to massively struggle to supply troops at the front lines.
GLSDB is supposedly accurate to within a meter. From Wikipedia:
Edit: I should add that I don't think that Boeing has GLSDB ready. I think it will be 2-3 months before these can actually be sent.
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The U.S. is gearing up to announce a major new weapons package for Ukraine on Friday, as top military leaders from around the world gather in Germany to discuss how to help Kyiv in its fight against Russia, according to three U.S. officials and another person familiar with the discussions.
While the next tranche will include additional artillery, ammunition and armor — likely Stryker armored combat vehicles — the U.S. is not expected to sign off on American M1 Abrams tanks, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the talks ahead of an announcement.
The package will likely include a number of Strykers, an eight-wheeled armored fighting vehicle built by General Dynamics Land Systems, as well as ground-launched Small Diameter Bombs, which have a range of roughly 100 miles, two of the people said. POLITICO first reported last week that the Pentagon was considering sending Strykers in the upcoming tranche of aid. Reuters first reported that Boeing-made Small Diameter Bombs were under discussion.
This package will not include the long-range Army Tactical Missile System that can reach Moscow, according to two of the people.
Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs have a 93-mile range and will allow Ukraine to hit targets well beyond what they can currently hit with HIMARS, and with a bigger warhead. All the Russian ammo depots that they have built just out of HIMARS range? They are all vulnerable now. Russian logistics is going to massively struggle to supply troops at the front lines.
GLSDB is supposedly accurate to within a meter. From Wikipedia:
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In a 2017 demonstration, the GLSDB engaged a moving target at a distance of 62 mi (100 km). The SDB and rocket motor separated at altitude and the bomb used an SAL seeker to track and engage the target.[7] A 2019 test extended this range to 81 mi (130 km) against a target at sea.[8]
Edit: I should add that I don't think that Boeing has GLSDB ready. I think it will be 2-3 months before these can actually be sent.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Sigh.
I'm also seeing German media reports of the same thing. This is a big embarrassment for both Germany and the US. The main point of this Ramstein conference was to organize Leopard 2 deliveries to Ukraine.
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BREAKING: Germany won’t allow allies to ship German-made Leopard tanks to Ukraine unless the U.S. agrees to send American-made battle tanks, senior German officials say - WSJ
I'm also seeing German media reports of the same thing. This is a big embarrassment for both Germany and the US. The main point of this Ramstein conference was to organize Leopard 2 deliveries to Ukraine.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
Trent Telenko is right about this:
Why buy weapons from a country that won't let you send them to an ally fighting against a common foe?
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German Chancellor Scholz is an utter disaster for Germany's defense industry.
Nobody in NATO is going to want German weapons after his current performance.
Swedish, Turkish & Polish licenced produced ROK heavy weapons are going to eat Rheinmetall's lunch.
Why buy weapons from a country that won't let you send them to an ally fighting against a common foe?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The main point of this Ramstein conference was to organize Leopard 2 deliveries to Ukraine.
Among other things. And remember the conference is the 20th.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:52 pm to WeeWee
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So that means Russia is making between $0-$16 per barrel
More like $5 to $-15 per barrel. So selling oil is only about cash flow not actual profit.
Russia used to make bank on sales of refined products to Europe which never really recovered since the 2020 lockdowns began. This means that they aren't even pumping oil to capacity for their refineries. General breakeven if products can be sold at profit is around 85% capacity.
Refineries are normally not profit centers for integrated oil companies with production and refining. The profit is made on trading of crude oil and some refined products. You can look at Exxon's balance sheets year in and year out. It is about 50/50 profitable years to losing money years for just the refining biz. Obviously, Russia's refineries are losing money with lost market share for the last few years. Other than the past year, sales of gasoline is really not that profitable for refiners, the upstream and downstream it usually is though. Downstream being products like lube oils, petrochemicals (Exxon Baton Rouge lost its butt in 2020, but the propylene from the cat cracker but Exxon Chemicals made serious bank as isopropyl alcohol due demand and they ran the wheels off of the IPA unit above capacity), and petcoke sales.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:05 pm to Lakeboy7
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Among other things. And remember the conference is the 20th
This is just the power struggle before the meeting. Germany is trying to placate their base that they are fighting “escalation”. They will extract something from the US and then “come around” to allowing leopards.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:11 pm to WeeWee
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I wonder if China will keep selling Russia computer chips, tires, etc when Russia’s checks start bouncing?
They're likely quite happy to slowly bleed Russia dry turning them into a permanent dependent.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:26 pm to tigeraddict
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This is just the power struggle before the meeting.
Sure, posturing.
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They will extract something from the US and then “come around” to allowing leopards.
A nice compromise would be Germany wont send any Leopards but wont prevent buyers of Leopards from sending theirs.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
You can always count on the Germans to have a stick permanently lodged up their asses. They seem to get off on being as big of a pain in the arse as possible. I love how they are acting like they have contributed anywhere close to what we have so far and can dictate their terms. We will end up sending a sizable number of Bradleys and Strykers but the Leopard is the obvious choice to send to Ukraine. They have a case of little man syndrome it seems.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:42 pm to LSUPilot07
New York Times: US warms to helping Ukraine regain Crimea
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
January 19, 2023 1:19 am
Following discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration has come around to the idea that Ukraine may need the military equipment to strike Russian-occupied Crimea, regardless of the risks such a move entails, the New York Times reported, citing several unnamed U.S. officials.
Russia invaded and occupied Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in February 2014 during the EuroMaidan Revolution that ousted pro-Russian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych. The peninsula houses Russia's Black Sea Fleet and tens of thousands of Russian troops.
Amid Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky has vowed to retake the peninsula. Ukraine has also targeted Russian air and military bases in Crimea in order to hamper Russia's war effort.
According to the officials, the Biden administration now believes that if the Ukrainian military has what it needs to threaten Russia's occupation of Crimea, Ukraine's future negotiating position will be stronger, the New York Times reported.
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
January 19, 2023 1:19 am
Following discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration has come around to the idea that Ukraine may need the military equipment to strike Russian-occupied Crimea, regardless of the risks such a move entails, the New York Times reported, citing several unnamed U.S. officials.
Russia invaded and occupied Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in February 2014 during the EuroMaidan Revolution that ousted pro-Russian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych. The peninsula houses Russia's Black Sea Fleet and tens of thousands of Russian troops.
Amid Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky has vowed to retake the peninsula. Ukraine has also targeted Russian air and military bases in Crimea in order to hamper Russia's war effort.
According to the officials, the Biden administration now believes that if the Ukrainian military has what it needs to threaten Russia's occupation of Crimea, Ukraine's future negotiating position will be stronger, the New York Times reported.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:47 pm to tigeraddict
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Germany is trying to placate their base
Public sentiment is 65% in favor of Ukraine.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:49 pm to cypher
I’m firmly in support of Ukraine kicking the shite out of Putin but I just don’t see a realistic picture where they can take Crimea. Literally everything would have to go right for them and even still it would be a very tall order.
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