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Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
It's the exact same thing they did in the battle for Severdonetsk...bleed the Russians for as long as possible, then fall back and let them have it.
It is worth absolutely nothing other than to give Russia propaganda the ability to say, "After nine months, we finally took this meaningless city."
It is worth absolutely nothing other than to give Russia propaganda the ability to say, "After nine months, we finally took this meaningless city."
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:38 pm to Highthoughts
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dial it back a bit bro,
I can’t dial it. The wise posters in the political board have opened my eyes to the truth. Putin and Xi are playing chess while Zelensky plays the piano and Biden soils his diaper and Macron gets pegged by an old lady.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:41 pm to Highthoughts
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think we’re heading to a situation where someone is going to have to “be the bigger person” and that won’t be Russia.
Of course it won’t be Russia. It’s impossible for Putin to be the bigger person.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:46 pm to momentoftruth87
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Wrong this war is a result of us and Ukraine wanting Ukraine in nato. They both FAFO
Ukraine started this war when Gorbachiv mistakenly allowed them declare independence. Ukraine is not a real nation. It a collection of Russians who forgot that they are Russian. However, a winter of no power will remind them. Soon the sickle and hammer will fly from the maiden and the world will know the truth.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:47 pm to momentoftruth87
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He just gave back grinner.
Addition by subtraction for Russia.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:50 pm to TBoy
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Russia is a country with extremely low sensitivity to losses
I don't think that the West was ignorant of that at all. "Western planners" aren't guiding the war, in any case -- that's just a convenient Russian smear against Ukraine, asserting that Ukrainians are simply puppets being manipulated by NATO.
The West does not care about killing Russian soldiers. The strategic goal of the West is the destruction of the Russian military and removing Russia's ability to threaten NATO.
The sinking of the Moskva, the downing of Russian jets, the capture or destruction of over 1500 Russian tanks: these are the goals of the West.
So, "Western planners" are thrilled with the results that they are getting for their efforts.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:50 pm to momentoftruth87
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Wrong this war is a result of us and Ukraine wanting Ukraine in nato.
That’s cute
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:06 pm to momentoftruth87
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Wrong this war is a result of us and Ukraine wanting Ukraine in nato. They both FAFO
It appears that it’s Russia that is FAFO.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:09 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:Russia also wants to save the world from globalists like obama and biden and want to save the western world by reinstalling Trump and making it ok to be Christian
Wrong this war is a result of us and Ukraine wanting Ukraine in nato. They both FAFO
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:19 pm to WeeWee
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Biden soils his diaper
well, that part is right....
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:57 pm to WeeWee
Is WeeWee being sarcastic or has he hit his head?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:11 pm to WeeWee
Maybe an old Soviet conversion from the Chemical Waste plant. 
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:31 pm to TigerDoc
Dec 14th ISW Update
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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s alluded decision to postpone his annual address to the Russian Federation Assembly indicates he remains uncertain of his ability to shape the Russian information space amidst increasing criticism of his conduct of the invasion of Ukraine. The Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly to the Russian State Duma and Federation Council is an annual speech introduced to the Russian constitution in February 1994, roughly equivalent to the US President’s annual State of the Union address. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated that Putin may deliver his address to the Federation Assembly in 2023 and called on Russians to stop "fortune-telling with coffee grounds" regarding the timing of the next address
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The Russian withdrawal from Kyiv Oblast and northern Ukraine in April 2022 likely spoiled Putin’s plans to declare victory during the Federation Assembly address. Putin had previously seized the opportunity in March 2014 to deliver the "Crimean Speech," wherein he announced the illegal annexation of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol
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Putin may not be confident in his ability to justify the cost of his war upon Russian domestic and global affairs when addressing the Russian public and elites. The unnamed TASS source noted that the address requires significant preparation by the president and his staff as it normally addresses plans for all aspects of Russian society—economy, education, military, global partnerships, etc. A victory in Ukraine could have allowed Putin to obfuscate Russian human and financial losses as it did in 2014, but Russia has not had any significant victories since the Russian occupation of Lysychansk in early July.
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Putin has already canceled his annual press conference with the members of the Russian public, likely in an attempt to avoid answering questions about Russia’s military failures without resorting to excessively obvious manipulation of questioners and questions. Peskov announced on December 12 that Putin will not hold his live press conference with Russians, which he had been hosting for ten years
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Ukrainian officials are forecasting that Russia may attempt to launch a large-scale offensive in the early months of 2023. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba stated on December 13 that indicators such as Russian mobilization efforts, the announcement of conscription, and the movement of heavy weaponry suggest that Russia may be preparing for a large-scale offensive in January and February 2023.
Russian forces could most readily relaunch offensive operations along two main axes of advance in the coming months—along the Kharkiv-Luhansk border in northeastern Ukraine, or in Donetsk Oblast. Russian troops appear to be moving heavy equipment from rear areas in Luhansk Oblast to areas near the current frontline along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border and have reshaped and reconsolidated their force grouping along this line, as ISW has recently reported.
Russian combat power that was freed up following the withdrawal from the west (right) bank of Kherson Oblast has redeployed to various areas in Donbas, reinforced by mobilized reservists. Russian forces may additionally hope to launch an offensive in western Donetsk Oblast to build on marginal advances made in the Vuhledar-Pavlivka area in November.
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Ukrainian air defense units shot down all the Shahed drones that Russian forces launched at Ukraine on December 14. Ukrainian military sources reported that Russian forces launched 13 Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones
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Ukrainian sources reported that 64 Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs), including one American civilian, returned to Ukraine on December 14.[16] The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration announced the exchange but did not specify how many Russian soldiers were part of the deal.
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The Kremlin will likely intensify existing information operations accusing Ukraine’s government of oppressing religious liberty in Ukraine. Prominent Pro-Russian Telegram Channel Readovka made a post to its 1.5 million subscribers claiming that Ukraine’s State Security Service (SBU) raided Russian Orthodox churches in nine Ukrainian oblasts and accusing the SBU of conducting arbitrary "terror" searches to detain Russian Orthodox clergy on December 14
Ukraine is not attacking religious liberty or Eastern Orthodoxy. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a decree to impose personal sanctions against representatives of religious organizations associated with the Russian government on December 2.[20] This decree targets Kremlin-linked elements of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Moscow Patriarchate (UOC MP).
The UOC MP is not an independent religious organization. The UOC MP is the Kremlin-controlled Russian Orthodox Church’s subordinate branch in Ukraine
The UOC MP is not the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, despite some inaccurate Western reporting characterizing it as "the Ukrainian Orthodox Church."[24] The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a separate entity that gained autocephaly (official independence) from the Moscow Patriarchate in 2019.[25] The UOC MP is a small element within Ukraine’s religious demography. Multiple surveys conducted in 2022 found that only four percent of Ukrainians identify as members of the Moscow Patriarchate, whereas over 50 percent of Ukrainians identify as members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.[26] More than double of the UOC MP’s current adherents identified as Greek Catholics (8.8 percent) in 2021
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The Kremlin will likely intensify information operations accusing Ukraine of attacking freedom of the press within the next three months. Ukraine’s parliament passed a media law on December 13 to satisfy a European Union membership prerequisite.[28] This law expands the powers of Ukrainian state censors over media organizations—including online media, forbids spreading Russian propaganda or information that disparages the Ukrainian language or defends the Soviet regime that ruled from 1917-1991, and establishes regulatory ratios for Ukrainian-language content versus Russian-language content on radio stations
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Key Takeaways
Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly postponed his annual address to the Russian Federal Assembly, indicating that the Kremlin is not confident that it can continue to shape the Russian information space.
Ukrainian officials are forecasting that Russian forces may attempt to launch a large-scale offensive at the beginning of 2023.
Ukrainian air defenses shot down all drones that Russian forces launched in attacks on December 14.
Ukrainian sources reported that 64 POWs returned to Ukrainian-held territory.
The Kremlin will likely intensify information operations aimed at presenting the Ukrainian government as oppressing religious liberties and freedom of the press.
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations and Russian forces conducted counterattacks in the Svatove and Kreminna areas.
Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas.
Russian forces continued defensive operations south of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
Kremlin officials admitted to receiving complaints about mobilization despite mobilization’s "de facto end."
Ukrainian partisans continue to aid Ukrainian forces in identifying valuable Russian targets.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
It’s pretty obvious they have other plans because they don’t seem to be really reinforcing Bakhmut with more men that I have heard so that tells you they are focused on another area. Seems to be strategically letting the Russians chew themselves up to take Bakhmut while they wait for the ground to freeze and rest and refit some of their main forces that have been in the fight since the start. The question is where? Do they take the big gamble and go for it all by going at Melitopol or do you come from the north and for their supply lines. I wish I knew the true condition of Ukraine’s forces right now in terms of equipment and ammunition because if they had the means to do it I think you have to go for Melitopol. You want this war over m sooner than later if you’re Ukraine and taking Melitopol would be a gigantic step in that direction. They are 80 miles away right now though I just don’t know if it is feasible. That’s a long way slugging it out. I guess we will see in about 3 weeks.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/15/22 at 6:36 am to StormyMcMan
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British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
15 December 2022
On 13 December 2022, Belarus carried out a snap combat readiness inspection of its forces. The exercises are reportedly taking place in the north-west of the country, away from the Ukrainian border. In addition, Russia has recently deployed extra units of mobilised reservists to Belarus.
Belarus played a key enabling role in Russia's assault towards Kyiv from 24 February 2022. However, the exercising Belarusian troops and Russian units are currently unlikely to constitute a force capable of conducting a successful new assault into northern Ukraine.
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
15 December 2022
On 13 December 2022, Belarus carried out a snap combat readiness inspection of its forces. The exercises are reportedly taking place in the north-west of the country, away from the Ukrainian border. In addition, Russia has recently deployed extra units of mobilised reservists to Belarus.
Belarus played a key enabling role in Russia's assault towards Kyiv from 24 February 2022. However, the exercising Belarusian troops and Russian units are currently unlikely to constitute a force capable of conducting a successful new assault into northern Ukraine.
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