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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/31/22 at 10:14 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/31/22 at 10:14 pm to
The new Russian Black Sea Fleet will have glass bottoms so it can view the old Russian Black Sea Fleet
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
795 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 10:27 pm to
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One more reason he was a great President

that couldn't even defend his own seat
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40868 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 10:48 pm to
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Here is the aid from the US to Ukraine from 2016 to present. It stays flat during the entire Trump presidency. I didn’t make the charts but whatever. LINK


Your link seems pretty favorable to Trump. Of course Biden is going to be higher now because of the current invasion, but still, from your document.

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Provision of Defense Equipment
After Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, the Obama
Administration provided Ukraine nonlethal security
assistance, such as body armor, helmets, vehicles, night and
thermal vision devices, heavy engineering equipment,
advanced radios, patrol boats, rations, tents, counter-mortar
radars, uniforms, medical kits, and other related item
s. In
2017, the Trump Administration announced U.S.
willingness to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine.

Since 2018, Ukraine has used FMF, as well as some of its
national funds, to procure U.S. defense equipment,
including Javelin anti-armor missiles and Mark VI patrol
boats purchased through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS)
system
. Ukraine also has used a combination of FMF and
national funds to refurbish former U.S. Coast Guard Island-
class patrol boats provided through the Excess Defense
Articles (EDA; 22 U.S.C. §2321j) program. In addition,
Ukraine has purchased firearms; ammunition; ordnance;


So Trump moved from non-lethal to lethal aid. That seems significant?

I'm glancing, but after a decrease in FY17, it appears funding increased each year? I imagine FY16 started 3 months before his presidency began and FY21 would have included his last three months.

The situation was relatively stable after 2014, so again, nothing seems odd from a US funding standpoint to me.



Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
1482 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 10:49 pm to
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Russian TV


Please pardon my ignorance, but when everyone mentions Russian TV, and that guy in the Steven Seagal costume speaks, what level of exposure are we talking here? Similar to our ABC, NBC major broadcasting networks? Or more so some sort of subscription service, online episodes or something of the sort? Is this just every day, common mainstream television?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30526 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 11:05 pm to
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Please pardon my ignorance, but when everyone mentions Russian TV, and that guy in the Steven Seagal costume speaks, what level of exposure are we talking here? Similar to our ABC, NBC major broadcasting networks? Or more so some sort of subscription service, online episodes or something of the sort? Is this just every day, common mainstream television?


VGTRK runs all the state TV and radio channels and is obviously state-controlled. The reach of their news channel is akin to ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX/CNN and MSNBC all rolled into one in terms of percentage viewers. Yes, this is the "normal" every day news channel for Russians. Solovyov (the man in the Mandarin collared suits) is a significant voice in Russian news along with Olga Skabeeva.


I think what you are actually asking is are the clips from some cable news channel with a minority audience AKA kinda fringe. The answer is no, more like Walter Cronkite in his day.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 1:39 am to
isw update

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Russian forces conducted another massive wave of missiles strikes targeting critical Ukrainian infrastructure across the country on October 31, likely in an attempt to degrade Ukraine’s will to fight as temperatures drop


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Russian occupation officials once again shifted their rhetoric regarding the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP) and are likely setting information conditions to continue to drive evacuations from the west bank of the Dnipro River and provide rhetorical cover for a Russian withdrawal from the area


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Russian forces are likely continuing to move troops and military assets across the Dnipro River in anticipation of Ukrainian advances towards Kherson City


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Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continued his efforts to increase his status among Russian elites and his presence in St. Petersburg by attacking local officials and announcing the creation of a PMC Wagner Center in St. Petersburg on October 31.


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Key Takeaways

Russian forces launched another massive wave of strikes against critical Ukrainian infrastructure, further damaging the power grid and leaving much of Kyiv without water.

Russian officials again changed their minds about the risk of Ukrainian forces destroying the Kakhovka dam, ordering evacuations of areas that could be flooded. There is no scenario in which Ukraine would benefit from destroying the dam, and this rhetoric is likely meant to speed evacuations and provide informational cover for Russian withdrawals from the west bank.

Russian forces are continuing to withdraw from the west bank of the Dnipro River even as they set conditions to fight for positions around Kherson City.

Wagner Private Military Company financier Evgeniy Prigozhin sought to bring charges against the St. Petersburg mayor for corruption and announced the imminent opening of the PMC Wagner Center in St. Petersburg. Prigozhin also attacked “oligarchs” and “elites” for living in comfort and preventing the full mobilization of Russia.

Russian sources continued to claim that Ukrainian troops conducted counter-offensive operations in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast and along the Svatove-Kreminna line on October 30 and 31.

Russian forces continued defensive operations and Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces continued counter-offensive operations in Kherson Oblast on October 30 and 31.

The Ukrainian interdiction campaign is reportedly damaging Russian forces exfiltrating across the Dnipro River.

Russian forces continued ground attacks around Bakhmut on October 30 and 31.

Russian sources claimed that Russian troops made incremental gains in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area on October 30 and 31, but ISW cannot verify these claims.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is likely attempting to prevent draft dodging by trying to deceive the Russian population into believing that autumn conscripts will not be sent to fight in Ukraine.

The MoD also announced the end of partial mobilization on October 31, executing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s order to end mobilization by the end of October

Local Russian governments remain responsible for even basic provisions to mobilized personnel, demonstrating the inefficiency of crowdfunding efforts and uncoordinated supply lines to support a modern military.

Russian occupation authorities in Kherson Oblast announced that they would allow the use of Ukrainian hryvnias alongside Russian rubles, demonstrating the failure of their monthslong rubleization efforts in Kherson.

Russian officials continue to create poor conditions in occupied parts of Kherson Oblast, likely to drive local inhabitants to evacuate.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 5:33 am to
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The Pentagon announced that the USA will transfer eight NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine.

"We have also committed to providing counter-drone capabilities, including the VAMPIRE system," a Pentagon spokesman said.


LINK
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8194 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 5:53 am to
They probably need ATACMS and possibly western Fighter jets to be able to really effectively push back the Russians.

It doesn’t seem like the Ukrainians have the force to push the Russians off balance and keep them there long enough to sustain an offensive. The Russians seem to have adapted to the current HIMARS missiles and are decentralizing ammo dumps and keeping them further back.

The Ukrainians already have HIMARS, so giving them better protectiles would be a small step to equalize the force equation.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:21 am to
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Three more ships with Ukrainian food left the ports on November 1, despite Russia's statement about suspending participation in the initiative, — Reuters.

The coordination center under the leadership of the UN notes that the movement of the ships was agreed upon by the Ukrainian and Turkish delegations and the UN in the Istanbul center. The Russian delegation has been informed about this.



LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:39 am to
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The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu stated during the address that:

— Conscripts will not go to the "special military operation" zone;

- 87,000 people out of 300,000 called up as part of partial mobilization were sent to the areas of hostilities;

LINK

So Russia just admitted to sending at least 87,000 to the front with less than 41 days of training
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5659 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:50 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 01 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Imagery showed two MiG-31K FOXHOUND interceptor jets were almost certainly parked at Belarus's Machulishchi Airfield on 17 October, with a large canister stored nearby within a protective earth berm. It is likely that the canister is associated with the AS-24 KILLJOY air launched ballistic missile, a large munition which the MiG-31K variant is adapted to carry.

Russia has fielded KILLJOY since 2018, but it has not previously been deployed in Belarus. Russia has occasionally launched these weapons during the Ukraine war, but stocks are likely very limited. It continues to expend its advanced long-range munitions against targets of limited operational importance.

With a range of over 2000km, basing KILLJOY in Belarus gives Russia little added advantage in terms of striking additional targets within Ukraine. It has likely carried out the deployment mainly to message to the West and to portray Belarus as increasingly complicit in the war.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:52 am to
Just gonna post a few different things in one post rather than several

I'm putting this under interesting, but not verified

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A unique video has just emerged of the Russian frigate #AdmiralMakarov burning in the gulf in #Sevastopol following an attack by high-speed surface ships and kamikaze drones by Ukrainian Forces.

Video: Ukraine-Russia War


LINK


From the Russians at the UN
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Due to these acts by Kiev, the Russian side cannot guarantee safety of civilian vessels taking part in the Grain Initiative. We do not know what other terrorist attacks Kiev is plotting with the help of its Western sponsors

LINK

So Russia says attacking Navy ships is terrorism while attacking energy infrastructure is perfectly acceptable
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 8:08 am to
Hungary is now paying the price for their insistence on buying Russian gas.

Literally, they are paying five times as much as what the rest of Europe is paying.

LINK Google translation below:

quote:

If we start from previous data, the average price of Russian gas imports to Hungary in October may be around HUF 900 per cubic meter . On the other hand, at last week's lowest point, the stock market quotation was around HUF 120 per cubic meter, and even the weekly average did not reach a fifth of the estimated Russian price.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98289 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 8:40 am to
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were almost certainly parked


You have to love this wording

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The Pentagon announced that the USA will transfer eight NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine.

"We have also committed to providing counter-drone capabilities, including the VAMPIRE system," a Pentagon spokesman said.


Why dont they commit to a getting a peace deal done?

None of you at all question why we keep pushing this war forward almost a year later?
Posted by Palantir
I've been a Columbia House
Member since Oct 2020
691 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 8:52 am to
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None of you at all question why we keep pushing this war forward almost a year later?
Well it's obvious we are keeping the war going because Hunter Biden made $600k once, our biolabs only mere miles from the Russian border creating weaponized virus birds, we support the evil Jewish nazi Zelenskyy, democrats need to launder their money, the Big Guy needs his 10%, and I'm almost sure drag queens, libraries, and the city of Chicago are all involved as well
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 8:58 am to
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None of you at all question why we keep pushing this war forward almost a year later?


We see why the war continues to be supported everyday. That’s a major point of the thread. Russia is now resorting to bombing the power infrastructure and threatening to attack merchant grain shipments from Ukraine. Russia does not want peace and would not honor peace.

We, the US, continue to support the Ukrainians because it is mutually beneficial and will not be a stable situation until Russia is abjectly thrown from Ukrainian soil and pays restitution for what they’ve done. To add to that, the Ukrainians do not want a peace agreement now either and it’s not our place to force them to.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:05 am to
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Why dont they commit to a getting a peace deal done?

Is “they” Russia????

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None of you at all question why we keep pushing this war forward almost a year later?

The war started in 2014. It ramped up in February, 8 months ago.

We haven’t pushed anything, but when Russia ramped things up, we ramped up our aid. I would think we would lower our aid if Russia backed down.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28602 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:06 am to
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So Trump moved from non-lethal to lethal aid. That seems significant?

It is. That equipment and training helped out a lot during the early days of the invasion. Of course now we are way down the road in terms of aid and training, but certainly the aid during the last administration was positive.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:09 am to
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Why dont they commit to a getting a peace deal done?


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None of you at all question why we keep pushing this war forward almost a year later?
Tell me what you think the resolution should be that leaves the US better off on the world stage from this day forward. See if you can provide at least some detail and propose something you truly think is possible. Something that would make sense for Ukraine and the West, that Putin would accept. I’ll wait (I’m sure for eternity).
This post was edited on 11/1/22 at 9:11 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:13 am to
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It is. That equipment and training helped out a lot during the early days of the invasion. Of course now we are way down the road in terms of aid and training, but certainly the aid during the last administration was positive.

At the time Trump increased our military aid, I had the impression that he did more to help Ukraine defend themselves than what Obama had done in response to the Russian takeover of Crimea and invasion of E Ukraine.
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