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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/1/22 at 3:44 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 11/1/22 at 3:44 pm to StormyMcMan
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So Russia just admitted to sending at least 87,000 to the front with less than 41 days of training
Meat for the Ukrainian machine guns.
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Posted on 11/1/22 at 3:46 pm to HoldemPig
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Here is the aid from the US to Ukraine from 2016 to present. It stays flat during the entire Trump presidency.
The spending might have stayed flat jut Obama gave Ukraine humvees with flat tires and engines that wouldn’t crank. Trump gave them Javelins. You tell me which is more aid?
Posted on 11/1/22 at 4:06 pm to WeeWee
Exactly. Obama being a beta on the international stage is what got us here
Posted on 11/1/22 at 4:09 pm to Athanatos
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They probably need ATACMS and possibly western Fighter jets to be able to really effectively push back the Russians. It doesn’t seem like the Ukrainians have the force to push the Russians off balance and keep them there long enough to sustain an offensive. The Russians seem to have adapted to the current HIMARS missiles and are decentralizing ammo dumps and keeping them further back. The Ukrainians already have HIMARS, so giving them better protectiles would be a small step to equalize the force equation.
The Russians have not adapted. The weather has changed. It’s the fall Rasputitsia (mud season). Ukraine is having to try and advance over rough terrain in the cold and mud. Even with terrain and weather against them they are advancing 5-10 km per day which is what Russia was advancing per month in the summer. Once the ground freezes the story changes. Frozen ground is easier to advance across.
Ukraine needs western fighter jets that is true. It needs tanks. However it needs the west to deliver (not just promise) SAMs and equipment to repair the electrical system. Ukraine can no longer guarantee reliable power to its rail system during peak hours. Since 40% of Ukraine’s freight engines are electric it’s kinda a big deal from a logistic angle.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 4:29 pm to PrecedentedTimes
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Exactly. Obama being a beta on the international stage is what got us here
During the 2012 campaign, President Obama mocked Sen. Romney for saying that Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat, saying that the Cold War was over.
Obama never understood how the nation that had 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us was a fundamental threat. Unfortunately, President Trump didn't take the Russian threat seriously enough either -- but at least he didn't mock it.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 4:32 pm to WeeWee
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The weather has changed. It’s the fall Rasputitsia (mud season). Ukraine is having to try and advance over rough terrain in the cold and mud. Even with terrain and weather against them they are advancing 5-10 km per day which is what Russia was advancing per month in the summer. Once the ground freezes the story changes. Frozen ground is easier to advance across.
I know that the ground will freeze in Luhansk Oblast, but I thought that I read that the ground doesn't always freeze in the Kherson area. Is that right?
Posted on 11/1/22 at 5:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I know that the ground will freeze in Luhansk Oblast, but I thought that I read that the ground doesn't always freeze in the Kherson area. Is that right?
I believe that's what WeeWee said earlier. It stands to reason, being farther south and closer to the water.
This post was edited on 11/1/22 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:That would be good for Ukraine as it looks like Russia is abandoning Kherson, which would allow Ukraine to hold it easier.
I know that the ground will freeze in Luhansk Oblast, but I thought that I read that the ground doesn't always freeze in the Kherson area. Is that right?
Posted on 11/1/22 at 7:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I know that the ground will freeze in Luhansk Oblast, but I thought that I read that the ground doesn't always freeze in the Kherson area. Is that right?
It will firm up but it will remain a muddy and cold and miserable place to be. Traditionally the ground in the Kherson oblast and the southern parts of the Zap oblast does not freeze solid except for a few weeks in late January and early February. Last year was a warm winter and/or early spring which made Putin's decision to delay the invasion until after the Olympics an epic mistake.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 7:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
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During the 2012 campaign, President Obama mocked Sen. Romney for saying that Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat, saying that the Cold War was over. Obama never understood how the nation that had 5000 nuclear weapons aimed at us was a fundamental threat. Unfortunately, President Trump didn't take the Russian threat seriously enough either -- but at least he didn't mock it.
That was his attempt at the “reset”. But Putin proved him wrong.
What’s interesting is how the poli board Trumpkins laugh at Obama’s “the 1980s called” reset while at the same time claiming Putin is in effect reset from his kgb commie kleptocracy background.
Makes absolutely no sense but hey…
Posted on 11/1/22 at 7:53 pm to DJFord
Whatever talking points Tucker Carlson pushes that night will be on the poliboard the next day. Is he a Russian asset? Who knows. But he's one of the biggest Putin cheerleaders in the American media.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 7:59 pm to PrecedentedTimes
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Obama being a beta on the international stage is what got us here
So Trump sucking Putin nutsack helped?
Posted on 11/1/22 at 8:02 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:44 pm to WeeWee
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The spending might have stayed flat jut Obama gave Ukraine humvees with flat tires and engines that wouldn’t crank. Trump gave them Javelins. You tell me which is more aid?
Pushed Russian reset, approved Uranium mine sale, made fun of opponents concern over Russia & Putin - The 80s called, and back channeled a message to Putin that he will have more flexibility after election. Obama’s loyalty to Putin was evident. The one time he openly opposed Russia in Syria he erased his own red line in the sand.
Imagine any other President getting caught on a hot mic having what they thought was a private conversation with the de jure Russian president asking that Putin give him space until after the election.
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Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."
Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"
Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."
Obama stood by while Putin just kept pushing their boundaries further into Georgia and closer to pipeline.
Even if his crush on Putin faded late in Presidency Obama wanted his Iran deal. Obama already had his revisionist view of his actions shot down.
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What I remember is that after Russian separatists shot down a civilian airliner and Russia invaded a sovereign country, we just passed weak and targeted sanctions. All because Obama wanted Putin's help [w] Iran deal," he tweeted.
"And then Obama was publicly thanking Putin less than a year later for that deal. It was no wonder Putin assumed the international costs of another invasion of Ukraine would be relatively low,"
Even Clapper admitted back in Spring of this year they should have done more in 2014.
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Obama's former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, admitted this week on CNN that his presidency should've been tougher on Russia in 2014 when they invaded and annexed Crimea.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 9:47 pm to Obtuse1
quote:its honestly hilarious how much russian propaganda loves itself some tuck
Another wild Russian TV clip and Tucker gets some airtime too:
Posted on 11/1/22 at 10:02 pm to soccerfüt
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You realize that the Lusitania was sunk by the U-20 with torpedos?
Of course. The message is the historical implications, which are not even slightly subtle.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:15 pm to CitizenK
Someone is old enough to remember Johnny Carson’s joke about the Libyan navy.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:51 pm to Bimby
It was derived from an older joke about the Polish Navy.
The same joke could have been told about the Russian Pacific Fleet vs. Japanese many decades ago at Port Arthur, Manchuria in 1904.
The same joke could have been told about the Russian Pacific Fleet vs. Japanese many decades ago at Port Arthur, Manchuria in 1904.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:56 pm to CitizenK
I just remember Johnny using it when we had an altercation with Libya in his monologue. Thanks be always remembered it, because he delivered it perfectly. Back to war news.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 1:40 am to DJFord
ISW Update
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Iran plans to send more combat drones and new ballistic missile systems to Russia for use in Ukraine, likely further strengthening Russia’s reliance on Iranian-made weapon systems.
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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) started its semi-annual fall conscription drive on November 1, amidst reports of continuing covert mobilization throughout the country.
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Numerous Russian sources reported that Russian enlistment officers are continuing to mobilize men despite Shoigu’s previous announcements of the conclusion of partial mobilization and transition into the conscription period on October 28.
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Commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army of the Southern Military District (SMD) Lieutenant-General Andrey Mordvichev reportedly replaced Colonel-General Alexander Lapin as commander of the Central Military District (CMD).
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Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin is likely attempting to address critiques against his parallel military structures following Lapin’s reported dismissal.
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Prigozhin is likely attempting to reduce the appearance that he might become too powerful, stating that he has no plans to hold political office and would refuse such a position if offered.
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Key Takeaways
Planned Iranian shipments of drones and ballistic missiles to Russia will likely further strengthen Russian reliance on Iran and Iranian-made weapons systems.
The Russian MoD started its semi-annual fall conscription cycle despite reports of Russian authorities covertly continuing mobilization measures.
Commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army of the Southern Military District (SMD), Lieutenant-General Andrey Mordvichev, reportedly replaced Colonel-General Alexander Lapin as commander of the Central Military District (CMD).
Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin is likely attempting to address critiques against his parallel military structures following Lapin’s reported dismissal.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued to conduct counteroffensive operations in the directions of Svatove and Kreminna.
Russian forces continued defensive preparations while Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in Kherson Oblast.
Russian forces continued to conduct offensive operations around Bakhmut and around Donetsk City.
Russian forces continued to strengthen Russian control over the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
Russian military structures are reportedly expanding training capabilities.
Russian occupation officials continued to set conditions for the long-term and permanent relocation of residents from the east bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
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